Fishes and Coral Prices

[ml708]

Bandit still selling at 600? I believe the price range is from 800-1600 now am I correct?

[I love angel]

Price have been increasing through the months and each shipment, take it as a guide, expect about +20% increase for some fishes,

Also do not expect the minimum range side.....

[simmonsim]

Any clue for the price of Sulawesi or candy basslet ? Thanks

[ml708]

I wonder if the prices are increasing due to the fish becoming increasingly rare. With better collection methods and greater availability they should actually sell for less imo

[asg]

Market in sg has become smaller (read: sqeeze them while we can)

[ml708]

Interesting that you would say it's become smaller. Are you referring to the period where many people were "nemo crazy"?

[asg]

Yes compare to that nemo craze. But also from talking to few LFS owner after i returning to the hobby after 7 years leave.

[tnb]

Added in Fowleri Tang and Majestic Angel.

Tangs

Pacific Blue (Paracanthurus hepatus) ~ $15, size dependent

Powder Blue (Acanthurus leucosternon)~ Smaller $15, Small - $30, Big - $35

Yellow (Zebrasoma flavescens) ~ Small $23 Medium $25 Big $30-40

Purple (Zebrasoma xanthurum) ~ $50-$80

Brown/Scopas (Zebrasoma scopas) ~ $8 ($5-small)

Sohal (Acanthurus sohal) ~ $60-$80

Chevron (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis) ~ $120

Clown (Acanthurus lineatus)~ $8

Convict (Acanthurus triostegus) ~ $8

Alantic Blue (Acanthurus coeruleus) ~ $80

Achilles (Acanthurus achilles) ~ $160-$250 depending on size

Black (Zebrasoma rostratum) ~ $350

Gem (Zebrasoma gemmatum) ~ $2800-$3200

Orange Shoulder Tang / Mimic Tang - $6 - $10

Fowleri Tang ~ $50 (medium)

Dwarf Angelfish

Bicolor (Centropyge bicolor) ~ $6 - 12

Coral Beauty (Centropyge bispinosus) ~ $5-$8 for normal ones, $65-$100 for tiger tails

Potter's (Centropyge potteri)~ $35-$40

Flame (Centropyge loricula) ~ $38 - $50

Argi (Centropyge argi) ~ $35-$50

Golden (Centropyge aurantius) ~ $40 - $80

Lemon Peel (Centropyge flavissima) ~ $35 - $45

Herald (Centropyge heraldi) ~ $8

Rusty (Centropyge ferrugata) ~ $6

Shepard's (Centropyge shepardi) ~ $80-$100

Joculator / Yellowhead (Centropyge joculator) ~ $380 - $550

Multibarred (Paracentropyge multifasciata) ~ $28 - $35

Multicolor ~ $130

Venustus (Centropyge venustus) ~ $38 - $60

Black Nox/ Midnight (Centropyge nox) ~ $8

Angelfish

King (Holocanthus passer) ~ $200-$400

Queen (Holacanthus ciliaris) ~ $120 - $400

Blue Face (Pomacanthus [Euxiphipops] xanthometopon) ~ $45 - $60

Gold Face - $240 - $450

Bandit (Holacanthus arculatus))~ $600 - $1200

Emperor (Pomacanthus imperator)~ $40 - $60 up to $350 for XI emperors

Regal (Pygoplites diacanthus) - $35-$60 depending on belly colour

French (Pomacanthus paru)~ $80 - $200

Clarion (Holocanthus clarionensis) ~ $4000 to $5000

Scribbled (Chaetodontoplus duboulayi) ~ $80 - $250

Rock Beauty (Holocanthus tricolor) ~ $40 - $100

Personifer (Chaetodontoplus meridithi) ~ $120 - $200

True Personifer ~ $800

Africanus ~ $180 - $400

Grey ~ $80 - $200

Blue Line ~ $80

Blue Angel ~ $120 - $400

Ear Spot ~ $90 - $250

Flagfin ~ $15 - $28

Orange Peel ~ $38 - $60

White Bar Maculosus ~ $90 to $110

Majestic ~ $35 (small)

[ml708]

edit for bandit and tiger angel

Added in Fowleri Tang and Majestic Angel.
Tangs

Pacific Blue (Paracanthurus hepatus) ~ $15, size dependent
Powder Blue (Acanthurus leucosternon)~ Smaller $15, Small - $30, Big - $35
Yellow (Zebrasoma flavescens) ~ Small $23 Medium $25 Big $30-40
Purple (Zebrasoma xanthurum) ~ $50-$80
Brown/Scopas (Zebrasoma scopas) ~ $8 ($5-small)
Sohal (Acanthurus sohal) ~ $60-$80
Chevron (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis) ~ $120
Clown (Acanthurus lineatus)~ $8
Convict (Acanthurus triostegus) ~ $8
Alantic Blue (Acanthurus coeruleus) ~ $80
Achilles (Acanthurus achilles) ~ $160-$250 depending on size
Black (Zebrasoma rostratum) ~ $350
Gem (Zebrasoma gemmatum) ~ $2800-$3200
Orange Shoulder Tang / Mimic Tang - $6 - $10
Fowleri Tang ~ $50 (medium)


Dwarf Angelfish

Bicolor (Centropyge bicolor) ~ $6 - 12
Coral Beauty (Centropyge bispinosus) ~ $5-$8 for normal ones, $65-$100 for tiger tails
Potter's (Centropyge potteri)~ $35-$40
Flame (Centropyge loricula) ~ $38 - $50
Argi (Centropyge argi) ~ $35-$50
Golden (Centropyge aurantius) ~ $40 - $80
Lemon Peel (Centropyge flavissima) ~ $35 - $45
Herald (Centropyge heraldi) ~ $8
Rusty (Centropyge ferrugata) ~ $6
Shepard's (Centropyge shepardi) ~ $80-$100
Joculator / Yellowhead (Centropyge joculator) ~ $380 - $550
Multibarred (Paracentropyge multifasciata) ~ $28 - $35
Multicolor ~ $130
Venustus (Centropyge venustus) ~ $38 - $60
Black Nox/ Midnight (Centropyge nox) ~ $8

Angelfish

King (Holocanthus passer) ~ $200-$400
Queen (Holacanthus ciliaris) ~ $120 - $400
Blue Face (Pomacanthus [Euxiphipops] xanthometopon) ~ $45 - $60
Gold Face - $240 - $450
Bandit (Holacanthus arculatus))~ $800 - $2000
Emperor (Pomacanthus imperator)~ $40 - $60 up to $350 for XI emperors
Regal (Pygoplites diacanthus) - $35-$60 depending on belly colour
French (Pomacanthus paru)~ $80 - $200
Clarion (Holocanthus clarionensis) ~ $4000 to $5000
Scribbled (Chaetodontoplus duboulayi) ~ $80 - $250

Tiger (Apolemichthys kingi) ~ $7000 - $11000

Rock Beauty (Holocanthus tricolor) ~ $40 - $100
Personifer (Chaetodontoplus meridithi) ~ $120 - $200
True Personifer ~ $800
Africanus ~ $180 - $400
Grey ~ $80 - $200
Blue Line ~ $80
Blue Angel ~ $120 - $400
Ear Spot ~ $90 - $250
Flagfin ~ $15 - $28
Orange Peel ~ $38 - $60
White Bar Maculosus ~ $90 to $110
Majestic ~ $35 (small)

[Angel Keeper]

11k for a tiger angelfish? You go Colombia and a real tiger isn't worth as much! LOL!

Angel Keeper

[ml708]

yes, thats the price for kingi. they are from south africa not south america haha

not sure if I would want a real tiger though!

11k for a tiger angelfish? You go Colombia and a real tiger isn't worth as much! LOL!


Angel Keeper

[Solo77]

Time to resurrect this thread. Find the pricing for livestock has gone rather unstable. To benefit reefers to gauge, let's try to contribute. Ultimately, still willing buyer willing seller.

Wrasse

Laboutei - $60-90

Hooded wrasse - a pair for $200

Clown

Midnight clown - 35 to 40

Platinum clown - 70 to 88

Black ocellaris - 20 to 28

Frost bite - 120 - 160

Tangs

Pacific Blue (Paracanthurus hepatus) ~ $15, size dependent

Powder Blue (Acanthurus leucosternon)~ Smaller $15, Small - $30, Big - $35

Yellow (Zebrasoma flavescens) ~ Small $23 Medium $25 Big $30-40

Purple (Zebrasoma xanthurum) ~ $50-$80

Brown/Scopas (Zebrasoma scopas) ~ $8 ($5-small)

Sohal (Acanthurus sohal) ~ $60-$80

Chevron (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis) ~ $120

Clown (Acanthurus lineatus)~ $8

Convict (Acanthurus triostegus) ~ $8

Alantic Blue (Acanthurus coeruleus) ~ $80

Achilles (Acanthurus achilles) ~ $160-$250 depending on size

Black (Zebrasoma rostratum) ~ $350

Gem (Zebrasoma gemmatum) ~ $2800-$3200

Orange Shoulder Tang / Mimic Tang - $6 - $10

Fowleri Tang ~ $50 (medium)

Dwarf Angelfish

Bicolor (Centropyge bicolor) ~ $6 - 12

Coral Beauty (Centropyge bispinosus) ~ $5-$8 for normal ones, $65-$100 for tiger tails

Potter's (Centropyge potteri)~ $35-$40

Flame (Centropyge loricula) ~ $38 - $50

Argi (Centropyge argi) ~ $35-$50

Golden (Centropyge aurantius) ~ $40 - $80

Lemon Peel (Centropyge flavissima) ~ $35 - $45

Herald (Centropyge heraldi) ~ $8

Rusty (Centropyge ferrugata) ~ $6

Shepard's (Centropyge shepardi) ~ $80-$100

Joculator / Yellowhead (Centropyge joculator) ~ $380 - $550

Multibarred (Paracentropyge multifasciata) ~ $28 - $35

Multicolor ~ $130

Venustus (Centropyge venustus) ~ $38 - $60

Black Nox/ Midnight (Centropyge nox) ~ $8

Angelfish

King (Holocanthus passer) ~ $200-$400

Queen (Holacanthus ciliaris) ~ $120 - $400

Blue Face (Pomacanthus [Euxiphipops] xanthometopon) ~ $45 - $60

Gold Face - $240 - $450

Bandit (Holacanthus arculatus))~ $600 - $1200

Emperor (Pomacanthus imperator)~ $40 - $60 up to $350 for XI emperors

Regal (Pygoplites diacanthus) - $35-$60 depending on belly colour

French (Pomacanthus paru)~ $80 - $200

Clarion (Holocanthus clarionensis) ~ $4000 to $5000

Scribbled (Chaetodontoplus duboulayi) ~ $80 - $250

Rock Beauty (Holocanthus tricolor) ~ $40 - $100

Personifer (Chaetodontoplus meridithi) ~ $120 - $200

True Personifer ~ $800

Africanus ~ $180 - $400

Grey ~ $80 - $200

Blue Line ~ $80

Blue Angel ~ $120 - $400

Ear Spot ~ $90 - $250

Flagfin ~ $15 - $28

Orange Peel ~ $38 - $60

White Bar Maculosus ~ $90 to $110

Majestic ~ $35 (small)

[gdc0910]

black tang - $350? where?

[Solo77]

Used to be...now not sure...

[Yono_Pranata]

Woah nice write up! Thanks bro Solo77

[kenyee]

看看就好。not really that accurate as never factor in size, country, QTed, etc.. nevertheless its a rough guide la.. I believe in 一分钱一分货 & luck too.. cheers

[[V]tEc]

Pricelist is super outdated as it was not updated for a long time. I dont think u can get black tang at $350 now. I bought mine 6yrs ago at ard $500. Now i think is ard $700 to $800?

[Solo77]

Lol, no lfs name to be quoted. Is a guide where price used to be and now more expensive, still valid or turned cheaper. So need everyone to chip in. True about size, QT, region, etc do play a part and as mentioned, willing seller, willing buyer. This is very applicable to angel lovers but for certain fishes, not so. Nevertheless, This list will serve as a guide for reefer to gauge and assess the worth. Just find that nowadays, disparity can be almost doubled and just don't want some reefers to feel to be carrot head at times and let opportunist succeed. The list should be base on normal walk-in price as discount varies due to rapport level, boss mood, etc. lol. For example, laboutei used to be selling above 100 but now possible to own one below 90. Good news to reefers.

[IkanMasin]

On 03/07/2014 at 8:59 PM, CKL said:

Update for bicolor and black nox/ midnight angels.

 

These are all outdated, mostly from 2010-2012 prices

let's all try to update this?

 

Prices here are rough estimates only and based on individual reefer's experience. Discounted and bulk buying price should not be used.

Prices will vary from shop to shop due to many factors such as region/breed/size of fish, economic sense, operation cost, quarantine methods, import quantity, pellet/frozen food trained, bargaining, stock clearance, etc.

Names of LFS should not be added.

 

Clownfish

 

False Percula (Amphiprion ocellaris) ~ $1

 

Black Ocellaris Pair ~ $75 to $80

 

Domino Clown ~$100

 

Midnight Clown ~$100

 

Naked Clown ~$55

 

Pearl eye clarkii clown ~$10-15

 

Picasso Pearl eye clarkii clown ~$60 - $70

 

Picasso Clown ~$10 to $300 (depend grades)

 

Platinum Clown ~$350 ($600/pair)

 

Snowflake/Premium Snowflake Ocellaris ~ $300 to $400 (depend grades)

 

True Percula (Amphiprion percula) ~ Small $12 - $25, Better Grade $90, Pair $150

 

Tomato (Amphiprion frenatus) ~ $4

 

Tomato / Red Saddleback (Amphiprion ephippium) ~ $4

 

Saddleback (Amphiprion polymnus) ~ $5

 

Yellow Stripe Maroon Clown (Premnas biaculeatus) ~ $6 - $10

 

 

Tangs

 

Pacific Blue (Paracanthurus hepatus) ~ $15, size dependent

 

Powder Blue (Acanthurus leucosternon)~ Smaller $15, Small - $30, Big - $35

 

Yellow (Zebrasoma flavescens) ~ Small $23

 

Purple (Zebrasoma xanthurum) ~ $50

 

Brown/Scopas (Zebrasoma scopas) ~ $8 ($5-small)

 

Sohal (Acanthurus sohal) ~ $60

 

Chevron (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis) ~ $120

 

Clown (Acanthurus lineatus)~ $8

 

Convict (Acanthurus triostegus) ~ $8

 

Alantic Blue (Acanthurus coeruleus) ~ $80

 

Achilles (Acanthurus achilles) ~ $160

 

Black (Zebrasoma rostratum) ~ $350

 

Gem (Zebrasoma gemmatum) ~ $2800

 

Orange Shoulder Tang / Mimic Tang - $6 - $10

 

 

Dwarf Angelfish

 

Bicolor (Centropyge bicolor) ~ $6 - 12

 

Coral Beauty (Centropyge bispinosus) ~ $8

 

Potter's (Centropyge potteri)~ $35

 

Flame (Centropyge loricula) ~ $38 - $50

 

Argi (Centropyge argi) ~ $50

 

Golden (Centropyge aurantius) ~ $60 - $80

 

Lemon Peel (Centropyge flavissima) ~ $35 - $45

 

Herald (Centropyge heraldi) ~ $8

 

Rusty (Centropyge ferrugata) ~ $6

 

Shepard's (Centropyge shepardi)

 

Joculator / Yellowhead (Centropyge joculator) ~ $380 - $550

 

Multibarred (Paracentropyge multifasciata) ~ $28 - $35

 

Multicolor ~ $130

 

Venustus (Centropyge venustus) ~ $38 - $60

 

Black Nox/ Midnight (Centropyge nox) ~ $8

 

Angelfish

 

King (Holocanthus passer) ~ $200

 

Queen (Holacanthus ciliaris) ~ $120 - $400

 

Blue Face (Pomacanthus [Euxiphipops] xanthometopon) ~ $45 - $60

 

Gold Face - $240 - $450

 

Bandit (Holacanthus arculatus))~ $600 - $800

 

Emperor (Pomacanthus imperator)~ $40 - $60

 

Regal (Pygoplites diacanthus) - $60

 

French (Pomacanthus paru)~ $80 - $200

 

Clarion (Holocanthus clarionensis) ~ $4000 to $5000

 

Scribbled (Chaetodontoplus duboulayi) ~ $80 - $250

 

Rock Beauty (Holocanthus tricolor) ~ $40 - $100

 

Personifer (Chaetodontoplus meridithi) ~ $120 - $200

 

True Personifer ~ $800

 

Africanus ~ $180 - $400

 

Grey ~ $80 - $200

 

Blue Line ~ $80

 

Blue Angel ~ $120 - $400

 

Ear Spot ~ $90 - $250

 

Flagfin ~ $15 - $28

 

Orange Peel ~ $38 - $60

 

White Bar Maculosus ~ $90 to $110

 

 

Wrasses

 

Radiance wrasse $50

 

Golden wrasse - $170 - 280

 

Flame wrasse male - $120-$150, Female - $90

 

8 line wrasse ??

 

Laboutei - $80 - 180

 

Splendid Leopard Wrasse $38

 

Potter Wrasse - $28

 

6 line wrasse - $8

 

Solar wrasse $10-$12

 

Scott wrasse $70-$150

 

Lineatus wrasse $150 - $250

 

Common leopard wrasse $7 - $10

 

Mystery wrasse $120

 

Yellow Coris wrasse $6

 

Coris wrasse juv $6, adult $10

 

Lubbock's fairy wrasse $8

 

Harlequin Tuskfish $30

 

Yellow Banded Possum Wrasse ~ $15

 

 

Blennies

 

Tail Spot Blenny $8 - $17

 

Midas Blenny $18 - $60

 

Canary Blenny $28

 

Forktail Blenny $5

 

Algae Blenny $3

 

 

Anthias

 

Barlett's anthias ~ $30 - $40

 

Lyretail anthias ~ $10 - $12

 

Sunburst anthias ~ $28

 

Dispar anthias ~ $8 - $12

 

Bimaculatus anthias ~ $10-$12

 

 

Basslets

 

Royal Gramma ~ $20-$40 (depends on size n locality usually Caribbean)

 

Blackcap Gramma ~ $65

 

Blue assessor ~ $35 to $45

 

Yellow assessor ~ $80 - $100

 

 

Dottybacks

 

Bicolor ~$5

 

Orchid ~$40

 

Strawberry/Diadem - $4 - $6

 

 

Gobies

 

Blue / Yellow Neon Goby ~ $20 - $40

 

Half Moon Goby ~ $20

 

Helfrichi Goby ~ $120 - $140

 

Purple Firefish ~ $12 - $28

 

Red Firefish ~ $5 - $12

 

Yasha Goby ~ $18 - $28

 

 

Butterfly Fish

 

Golden ~ $80

 

Threadfin ~ $8 - $15

 

Raccoon ~ $8 - $15

 

Long Nose ~ $8 - $15

 

Copperband ~ $5 - $15

 

Banner Butterfish (Heniochus Sp) - $8

 

 

Triggerfish/Fliefish/Puffers

 

Clown Trigger - $28 (S) to $50

 

Niger Triggerfish - $8

 

Hawaiian Black Trigger - $15

 

 

Others

 

Mandarin ~ $6 - $12, $30 or more for those weaned onto frozen foods

 

Red Mandarin ~ $20

 

Moorish Idol (Zanclus cornutus)~ $10 - $20

 

Lionfish - $15 (s)

 

Liverock from $4 to $7 per kg

 

Soft Corals

 

Leather Coral (Sarcophyton sp., Sinularia sp.) ~ $5 - $120 (Ultra-green morphs)

 

Yellow Leather (Fiji) ~ $40

 

Zoanthids: $5-10 for low-end variants, very high for rare color forms.

 

Xenia (Xenia elongata) ~ $8 -$25.

 

White Xenia (Fiji) ~ $40

 

Common Mushrooms ~ $5 - $10 for low-end variants, $30 for rarer forms.

 

Yumas (Ricordea yuma): $10 for lower grades, $50 - $200 for rarer forms

 

Rics (Ricordea florida) ~ Green $25 - $30, Blue and Orange $35 - 40, Multicolor $35 - $120

 

Carnation / Cauliflower (Scleronepthya sp.)

 

 

Large-Polyped Stony Corals

 

Japanese Sun ~ $80 - $280

 

Black Sun Coral (Tubastraea micrantha) ~

 

Super Sun ~ $60/colony or S$10/head

 

Normal Sun ~ $15 - 40

 

Green Bubble ~ $30

 

Frogspawn(Euphyllia sp.) ~ $40-$60

 

Hammer Normal grade ~$15-25

 

Fox coral Normal grade ~$15-25

 

Torch Normal grade ~$15-25

 

Anchor Coral Normal grade ~$15-25

 

Short tentacle plate ~ $10-$20

 

Long tentacle plate ~$10-$20

Indonesia cultured sps mostly 3 colonies for $100. If wild colonies $50-$70 per colony.

 

Australia sps wild colonies range from $120 per colony to $600 for large ssc colony which I personally think the recent price hike on ssc is ridiculous.

 

A wild colony size easily can have 10-20 frags. So you do your maths and see if its worth or not. In my principle, I dont mind paying extra 20-30% more for frags that are stable n well encrusted on plugs.

 

Assorted Invertebrates

 

Skunk Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) $6 Small, $12 for Large, $12 for Sri Lankan Cleaner

 

Coral Banded Shrimp (Stenopus hispidus) ~ $3-12

 

Blue-Legged Coral Banded Shrimp (Stenopus tenuirostris) ~ $3 - $15

 

Yellow Coral Banded Shrimp (Stenopus scutellatus) ~ $3 - $15

 

Blood / Fire Shrimp (Lysmata debelius) ~ $12-35

 

Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni) ~ $15

 

Tiger Snapping Shrimp ~ $15

 

Unspecified Starfish ~ $3 - $25

 

Unspecified Seahorse ~

 

Halloween / Electric-Leg Hermit Crab (Calcinus elegans) ~ $5

 

Dwarf Zebra Hermit Crab ~ $4

 

Dwarf Scarlet Hermit Crab ~ $10

 

Nassarius Snail (Nassaurius vibex) ~ $5

 

Turbo Snail (Trochus sp. / Astraea sp.) ~ $2

 

Sand Dollar ~ $10

 

Coco Worm (Protula bispiralis) ~ $8 - $25

 

Common Tubeworm (Sabellastarte magnifica) ~ $1 - $5

 

White/Gold Tubeworms (Sabellastarte sp.) ~ $3 - $5

 

Emerald Crab ~ $15

Necro Bump ! any kind reefer can update for 2018? 

[Solo77]

Seeing the price now VS the past.... Should we update to support those lfses that are still making this hobby affordable or should we just let demand and supply do their part..... Just find the price can vary alot......take for example. Blue spotted seahare... Price can be from $20 to $11........ 

[Evolutionz]

looking at past prices..must say fish prices has increased quite significantly.

[Solo77]

Not all, think certain fishes, price went down. wrasses like lineatus went down compared to the past. But in generally, most price went up.  Operating cost all went up and hence explained the increased price. Each lfs has their own business plan and strategies,  just thinking, to support those lfses that still adopting low business margin with high sale volume. Like clementi c328(always packed and crowded). However, this may not be happening to marine as farm setup is dimishing and once they moved, new place will have new rental pegged to market rate and initial setup cost. The market is adjusting and in around 2 yrs time, may not have farm setup. Mostly retail front and this hobby may soon be history to those general. Met few senior reefers and general feedback from them was the cost went up and hence killed their 'fire' to come back. 

The intent of the topic is to share info so newbies can consider and manage their expectation. However, this may backfire for not so updated lfses to increase price and worst ppl going ard to demand for same price. Maybe just let the demand and supply do the work. 

[ladynano]

On 09/04/2018 at 3:23 PM, Solo77 said:

Not all, think certain fishes, price went down. wrasses like lineatus went down compared to the past. But in generally, most price went up.  Operating cost all went up and hence explained the increased price. Each lfs has their own business plan and strategies,  just thinking, to support those lfses that still adopting low business margin with high sale volume. Like clementi c328(always packed and crowded). However, this may not be happening to marine as farm setup is dimishing and once they moved, new place will have new rental pegged to market rate and initial setup cost. The market is adjusting and in around 2 yrs time, may not have farm setup. Mostly retail front and this hobby may soon be history to those general. Met few senior reefers and general feedback from them was the cost went up and hence killed their 'fire' to come back. 

The intent of the topic is to share info so newbies can consider and manage their expectation. However, this may backfire for not so updated lfses to increase price and worst ppl going ard to demand for same price. Maybe just let the demand and supply do the work. 

i totally agree that it's nice to have a price range for new hobbyist like me to refer and know what to expect. with shipments being banned in some places, its nice to maybe be aware of expected/potential price hikes.