Terryz_ Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Been toying with the idea of incorporating a Surge System into my new tank... Have only seen the system thru some RC tank build, but never seen one in action before. Wondering if anyone in Singapore is using it. Thanks.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter Joe_P Posted January 29, 2010 SRC Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2010 Been toying with the idea of incorporating a Surge System into my new tank... Have only seen the system thru some RC tank build, but never seen one in action before. Wondering if anyone in Singapore is using it. Thanks.. Check out the large reef pond at Iwarna. It has a large blue bucket built as a surge device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Check out the large reef pond at Iwarna. It has a large blue bucket built as a surge device. There is?!?!?! Will take a look next time I go... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 I am more concerned about the increase in water volume and the overflow compartment when the surge is activated. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter Joe_P Posted January 29, 2010 SRC Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2010 I am more concerned about the increase in water volume and the overflow compartment when the surge is activated. That's a definite. Displaced volume. Another concern will be micro bubbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 That's a definite. Displaced volume. Another concern will be micro bubbles. I know but the thing is that my overflow will be lower than normal to contain the surge volume? Microbubble is always a problem for surge but there are ways to minimise it if not wrong... Haven gone so indepth yet.. LOL.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter Joe_P Posted January 29, 2010 SRC Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2010 I know but the thing is that my overflow will be lower than normal to contain the surge volume?Microbubble is always a problem for surge but there are ways to minimise it if not wrong... Haven gone so indepth yet.. LOL.. Large outlets and overflow boxes would be required to handle the surge volume. It also depends very much on the intended surge volume (volume buildup prior to triggering the surge) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member qwertman321 Posted January 29, 2010 SRC Member Share Posted January 29, 2010 may i ask what is a surge system? and why do we need it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 may i ask what is a surge system? and why do we need it?? Take a look at this... Surge System Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 After researching on surge system... I have decided to go with Reverse Carlson Surge Device aka RCSD... Because it doesnt produce bubble when activated except it takes up a lot of space... The device make use of pressure air from air pump into a sealed container which will force the water in the container to be pump out and once the air reach a certain level it will escape out from the container via another pipe and the water rush back into the container creating the surge in the tank... But now need to source out a alternative material to make the device... They normally use 4-6 inch pipe to act as the container... This is what a fellow RC reefer show me... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 This is what I come up with... Not sure it it would work... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Reefer yikai Posted February 1, 2010 Senior Reefer Share Posted February 1, 2010 very nice lol! cant wait to see it in action~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackywongto Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 chimalogy. saw the link but still dunno how it works in a tank. cannot relate to link also. Quote Eqpt: Deltec MCE 600, Tunze 6055 with Tunze 7091 controller, Artica 1/15 HP chiller, AquaIllumination Sol Blue LED Light System 2011 resolution : Do it simpler, better and in an easier way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenkoh08 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 for me i also don't really get it more like a auto top off system?? or is there anymore detail link then the one above?? like what is the use or any benefit for??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 very nice lol! cant wait to see it in action~ Haha... Wait till June bah... :rolleyes: Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member teebs Posted February 2, 2010 SRC Member Share Posted February 2, 2010 This is what I come up with... Not sure it it would work... I think you would need a pretty strong air pump in order to create the air pressure within the container you are using. Quote My Setup: 3x2x2 tank with IOS Equipment List: Chiller: Artica 1/5HP Chiller Pump: Sicce 4000 Return Pump: OR3500 Skimmer: Deltec APF600 Wavemaker: Tunze Wavebox/2x Hydor K2/SCWD wavemaker Lights: DElighting 2x150W MH + 2x 39W T5 Atinic FR: Skimz FR Pump: Atman AT-104 Tubby ATO, Kalkweisser Reactor with magnetic stirrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 chimalogy.saw the link but still dunno how it works in a tank. cannot relate to link also. Haha... It took me a few days to get how it really works... It works as a wavemaker and give random water movement in tank setup... But I feel, it work effective in bigger tank becos it is difficult to get random flow in a big tank without using a large number of wavemaker... for me i also don't really get it more like a auto top off system?? or is there anymore detail link then the one above?? like what is the use or any benefit for??? I try to see if I can find any better links... It is used as a substitute for wavemaker... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member raydiative Posted February 2, 2010 SRC Member Share Posted February 2, 2010 Haha... It took me a few days to get how it really works... It works as a wavemaker and give random water movement in tank setup... But I feel, it work effective in bigger tank becos it is difficult to get random flow in a big tank without using a large number of wavemaker... I try to see if I can find any better links... It is used as a substitute for wavemaker... Also a surge system also very random flow... Quote A man with a reef tank is a man with an empty wallet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think you would need a pretty strong air pump in order to create the air pressure within the container you are using. They state any aquarium air pump will do... But I think a higher output airpump will be good... The idea is to get the water out first and den next the air pumped in the container will escape creating space for the water to flow back into the container thus creating a surge when the container sucks in the water from the tank... It is not using the output from the container rather it is using the effect of the water flowing back into the device to create water movement... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Also a surge system also very random flow... Yup... It give random flow too... it will not be constant flow thru out like wavemakers not including controllable tunze which cost a bomb... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenkoh08 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 chk this out nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member teebs Posted February 2, 2010 SRC Member Share Posted February 2, 2010 Can try using a toilet ball float instead... Saw a DIY in RC that used a toilet ball float in the surge container. Quote My Setup: 3x2x2 tank with IOS Equipment List: Chiller: Artica 1/5HP Chiller Pump: Sicce 4000 Return Pump: OR3500 Skimmer: Deltec APF600 Wavemaker: Tunze Wavebox/2x Hydor K2/SCWD wavemaker Lights: DElighting 2x150W MH + 2x 39W T5 Atinic FR: Skimz FR Pump: Atman AT-104 Tubby ATO, Kalkweisser Reactor with magnetic stirrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Can try using a toilet ball float instead... Saw a DIY in RC that used a toilet ball float in the surge container. It will have bubbles when activated... So I ruled out using it... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Copperband Posted February 6, 2010 SRC Member Share Posted February 6, 2010 very interested in this too..... think will need some solenoid or something to release the air.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted February 6, 2010 Author Share Posted February 6, 2010 It will require a solenoid to control the opening and closing of the valve in the surge container via a timer... So that t will not suck air in when the water level is already near the outlet... A air vent will help at the elbow piping where the water will come out but it seems like it will only reduce and not completely eliminate all the bubbles... The solenoid will require someone with electronic skills which I dun have... LOL... to connect the timer to the solenoid and to the valve... something like that.. All too complicated, i just briefly looked at the pic.... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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