The curse of the LH...

[eprouve]

No words can express how disgusted I am. I thought I'd NEVER, EVER have one of these in my home/tanks... but I woke up one morning and saw this next to my dad's 1.5 footer! Complete with "kok" head and all!

[harlequin]

Can you imagine what my reaction was when i walked into one of my partners office and all the sales guys have a LH tank in their cubicles.

Super Beng man.

Anyway, when they saw my Reef tank as a wallpaper on my laptop during the presentation, their jaws dropped and then it was time for me to goreng them and psycho them that LH is for Bengs and it is damn boring seeing one swollen head fish swimming miserably in a small 2 ft tank with a little suckerfish for company (who might become his next meal).

Anyone has a vidcam that i can borrow to record down a LH being eaten by a moray ? And then we broadcast it to the whole wide world.

I only worried about the rivers and resorvioirs in Singapore as people who gave up their LH (after not being to strike 4D) and dump them conveniently to our water reserves. Can you imagine a new episode of GREMLINS 3 in our reservoirs ?

SIGH.....my 3 cents worth !

[Tanzy]

Definitely not in the MOOD after seeing the mutants.

[eprouve]

Haha... certainly not in the mood... in fact, I nearly died of heart attack, especially it being in the morning, I thought I saw these... (can you even call them fish?) things swimming IN the tank!

But on another note, I've actually accepted gifts of baby LHs borne of highly productive superstitious owners... and I use them to feed my bro's terapins both of which are bigger than my palm. shhh... don't tell them!

[harlequin]

actually those LH looks like those cheapo salted fish that you can buy from wet markets.

So LH owners are real suckers , paying loads of money for a cheaper fish....

Even my King angel looks thousand times better looking that a Kok Tao !!

[kelstorm]

firstly, they are not nice to eat.. tried it.. yucks..

secondly, not much of a beauty to look at.. gross looking..

thirdly, grossly overrated..

clarence, ur idea of doing that is phenomenon.. hahaha..

harlequin,

actually, there was a letter to the AVA on this.. but they simply wrote it to push it off like this: "we are monitoring the situation..."

btw, i willing to offer my snowflake moray for the part.. but need a small LH leh..

[dodo]

kel wat u mean by not nice to eat? u mean u ate a LH b4?

wah biang...i admire your courage eating such a ugly looking fish

[X_Japan]

u guys are simply cruel............

to each his own......

if they like it, so be it

why must u discriminate them this way!?

[Creetin]

kel, i was wondering did u catch the taste of the kok head? i heard tat its the best of the fish!

[eprouve]

u guys are simply cruel............

to each his own......

if they like it, so be it

why must u discriminate them this way!?

Cruel? Did you mean feeding it to my bro's terapins? Errrm... then what do you classify feeding live feeder fish, shrimps, frogs, cockroaches, crickets etc to fish like Lionfish, eels, or FW Aros?

Actually, just because someone won 4D, everyone starts buying LH... why no one stops buying cos someone drowned trying to fish for LH?

[TanGo]

I pity the LHs.. They are just human's past-times.. Being cross breeded over and over.. Mutated beyond recognition.. Striking 4D is just a gimmick.. Can they tell? Imagine 5000 people walking into a fish shop and saw the same LH with 4 spots.. they come out with 5000 different numbers.. and one of them happen to strike 1st prize.. Surprise? That is what's happening to singapore.. and that extra 4000 LFS that sprang out during that LH craze.. What is happening to the world?

[harlequin]

Heard that AVA is quite lame on this. Sigh....one day when those 4D wannabes lose interest in LH (which they do now ) you see lots of LH dumped into the drains or rivers or resorvoirs.

Tasted fried LH in Bangkok before. Very muddy taste.

Was at a LFS today and was shown a lionfish eating a 3 inch LH. Cool !!

[Creetin]

i tink the LH is getting to be a real serious source of feeder fish!

my fren was raving about his female LH today laying eggs (first time for him) and he was so excited.... i was trying hard not to yawn...

[kelstorm]

each brood of frys by LH is abt 1000 (heard from ppl who breed).. definitely a source for feeder fishes, provided your fish dun get eaten up first.. hahaha

harlequin,

taste terrible right.. i spitted out man.. of course, dun think abt it eating frogs, worms etc.. it is the muddy taste that u cannot stand.. i think better cake it with wasabi heavily first b4 eating it..

creetin,

are u sure that is the nicest part.. i tasted it.. horrible leh..

x-japan,

i may have opened a can of worms by saying this... while i do not discriminate against ppl who keep LH and treat them properly(i'm sure different ppl have different tastes in fishes and the aquarium fish hobby is big enuff to accommodate us) it is the way that they treat the fish, such as putting them in a bag and letting them have a small 2ft tank that is like shared with another LH.. that is cruelty.. on the other hand, i have seen tanks with a single LH that occupies a 4ft with all the gadgets that was formerly used to house arowana... and take good care of it.. i can understand the frustration faced by ppl who dun keep such fishes as those fishes that they like has been reduced in shipment to the lfs and have been replaced by LH... sigh.. but i must say, with the growth of the LH, lots of aquarium stuff had become cheaper.... anyway, i personally would prefer to have the unwanted LH fishes to be used as feeder than to have them being dumped into our reservoirs and ponds, which will disturb the delicate balance of the flora and fauna in them.

[X_Japan]

kelstorm,

I do agree with you on that point there

[harlequin]

kelstorm,

Totally agree with you on that. You need loads of wasabi and soya sauce to go with it. And don't think about the amount of superworms, tigerbarbs, prawns & tadpoles that this fella had previously eaten.

If you look around these days at the LH LFS, you can see business is just like the bubble tea stalls. There is no more bubbles.....

[newdamsel]

LH maybe mutated, LH may be bengz but i dun understand why condemn them to such a state and try to establish that marine is superior??? Afterall, LH just need a tank of water and some numbered balls to give ppl hope.. what does a marine tank need ???? liverocks, fine sand ..etc Where we get them? the big open sea,.... why is there a ban on LR??? Do we not know that alot of these LR are harvested w/o replacement? Yet we are still buying them...~~!! alot of $$$ spent on LH? So how much have you spent on ya tank? Why issit that feeding LH to eels gets all cheers and feeding baby clowns to eels get all boos??? Its just as cruel..

In our eyes, LH hobbyist are a bunch of suckers.. in their eyes we might be too... I'm not pro LH, just that i tink its abit too unfair for us to pass extreme comments... no offense though

[Tanzy]

why is there a ban on LR??? Do we not know that alot of these LR are harvested w/o replacement? Yet we are still buying them...~~!!

Do you know how much LR the aquarium industry actually use compared to the amount of LR lifted for construction?

Reef keeping is a science that helps us understand and appreciated nature more. It will promote and educate people about coral biology and their environment. Hopefull with the increase understanding it will lead to conservation efforts Nobody says reef keeping is cheap, I definitely feel that it is one of the most expensive animal hobby short of horses.

LH? What do they do? Hmmm, prestige for the owner? Tell the whole world what a rich moron you are? There is no appreciation of nature involved, just an abomination to nature. What does it teach you? How to buy 4D? I know for sure ever since I started reefing I've grown in the knowledge of marine biology, lighting, fluid mechanics, chemistry, plumbing and realisation of my complete lack of DIY skills. You can't help but to feel disdainful of LH keepers and the crassness of their hobby. We are a growing hobby while LH is a fad that is dying. Are we superior? I say we are! Bash on!

[Sinn]

way to go!

[newdamsel]

Do you know how much LR the aquarium industry actually use compared to the amount of LR lifted for construction?

Reef keeping is a science that helps us understand and appreciated nature more. It will promote and educate people about coral biology and their environment. Hopefull with the increase understanding it will lead to conservation efforts Nobody says reef keeping is cheap, I definitely feel that it is one of the most expensive animal hobby short of horses.

LH? What do they do? Hmmm, prestige for the owner? Tell the whole world what a rich moron you are? There is no appreciation of nature involved, just an abomination to nature. What does it teach you? How to buy 4D? I know for sure ever since I started reefing I've grown in the knowledge of marine biology, lighting, fluid mechanics, chemistry, plumbing and realisation of my complete lack of DIY skills. You can't help but to feel disdainful of LH keepers and the crassness of their hobby. We are a growing hobby while LH is a fad that is dying. Are we superior? I say we are! Bash on!

Even though how minute amounts of LR that you use, you are still destroying... this is a growing hobby?? ALL THE WORST....you are just depriving another fish or crab of their home... help to appreciate nature more? yes.. one may have the upbeing of plucking things from the nature and then hope one's tank can educate others about coral biology and diveristy,,,but isnt tat an irony "Look thats one of the rare specimen of coral I have in my tank" tats wht most hobbyist would wanna say.. but havent him or her just deprived nature yet of another already very few specimen and life for his or her own satisfaction?? Something may not inspire you or seems nothing for you to learn from, but that doesnt mean it is the same for others? Are you really such a higher being as to dictate that something is inferior? The reef tank is yet another abomination with nature... with all the life support machines hooked on it, wht can u say?face it, our tanks can never be as natural as the sea....

I admit, I'm no great being or some noble conservationist, I know of all these yet i get LR and hope one day i can spend thousands buying rare specimens and keep them thriving in my tank so that ppl will go googa... I just feel that almost whatever verbs or adjectives that is used to described LH is unfair, and in most ways it can be used to describe u and me... I dun mind being called the same names coz I know it and yet I do it.... the rules of CITES and AVA isnt there for nothing...

[robe]

Reefers are not the main cause of liverock or reefs decimation. Human civilization is the culprit. The human race is the biggest factor that has attributed to decimated countless square kilometers of reefs in just a hundred years.

Overfishing, chemical waste, sewers draining into the seas and plain making for a living cause their destruction. Add to that global warming from the use of fossil fuels since the start of the industrial revolution. Global warming destroys entire reefs in a season some never to recover at all.

Ban the human race, eject them into space and save the earth!!!!

[bawater]

i don't think just by keeping corals or fishes is the end-or the holocaust of the oceans, SW is relatively new & reefs only within the last 20yrs of so.

u know how old the goldfish is?(which was a mutated carp in the first place).

The indo reefs will be the first to go- they kill whole patches of reefs just looking for sea-cucumbers to sell as food.Not to mention dynamite/cyanide fishing that is on an economical scale that only their gov can help.

i agree with tanzy & robe, the aquatic trade is only a scratch to nature(colletors need to be more responsible).

Do u know that the amazon river is depleted by overfishing for the FW trade?

Do u know how degraded Tioman reefs have become over the years due to tourist/Divers

This is the reason why we should not only have succesful tanks, but we should have reproductive tanks- corals frags,fish,shrimps etc.The knowledge is very very limited on this area as many species have only recently started being studied.

This is the area the hobby should be headed> helping to preserve the oceans

what if u could farm clams at home? u ever think of that? or even the common clownfish?

There is really no point in keeping a tank where u have to keep replacing livestock & corals every few months cause they keep dying.That is pure arrogance as the knowledge is available- might as well stick to keeping man made creatures like goldfish/guppies/parrotfishes/LH.

i really can't complain on the LH trend, it has pushed equipment prices to all time lows(some anyway). Tank prices are unbeliveable & still dropping.

Hikari products are carried almost everywhere now, even frozen silverfish are available now in packs from LFS(although got LH pic on packing).

i can get live adult BS nowadays from most LFS.

+ when the trend dies, there will be a lot a lot of 2nd tanks & equipment going cheap

i just wished ppl would use MH & chillers for their LH tanks!!!.

Leave the LH Fish release problem to AVA.

Yeh yeh! more LH!.

To each his own fish

hmmmm i wonder why we talking LH on a marine forum?

[dodo]

can space rear marine fishes or corals???kekeke...jus trying to cool things down....

i thk this thread is getting out of hand and i thk i am one of the culprit hehehe...tis debate of destroying nature, be it FW or SW, will never end. The fact is tat nobody can verify for SURE who is to blame and who is responsible for depletion of natural environment ditto it for a LH lover chancing onto our website and laughing their heads off embarressing is only a mild word

hence, may i dare to take tis opportunity to put a full stop to this thread and forget about the whole episode. Can we concentrate wat we want most...discussion on marine fish(maybe AT can remove tis thread)

[kelstorm]

that is y i say.. i could have opened a can of worms..

[KingFish]

More so a Floodgate kel!!!

But how say we all take it easy.

Its the Holiday season.... so how say we all kick back in front of our tanks, ice cold beer in hand and let our thoughts drift away to that wonderful salty watery paradise........