Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 2, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 2, 2011 I wonder if some super rich kind soul would say acquired a dozen of such Peppermint Angels and release it into other areas ( of course with proper acclimatisation to ensure it is already adapted to shallow dealth and healthy) , would this be a possibility where Peppermint Angel thrive at such new areas and no longer be endemic only to the cook islands ? It's so deep water that they probably exist in other areas too, just that too deep to explore. Peppermint angels may have range extensions outside cook island for all we know, but ad of yet it's still endemic. As to collecting and repopulating other areas, most scientists frown upon it because introducing an alien species to a habitat that it was not intended to be in may have serious consequences to the ecosystem. Even though how small it may be, say, a little peppermint angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Two deepwater japanese fish. Not endemic to Japan. Threadtail anthias (Tosana Niwae) Plectranthias Japonicus (200m deep) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Ketchup Posted December 2, 2011 SRC Member Share Posted December 2, 2011 It's so deep water that they probably exist in other areas too, just that too deep to explore. Peppermint angels may have range extensions outside cook island for all we know, but ad of yet it's still endemic. As to collecting and repopulating other areas, most scientists frown upon it because introducing an alien species to a habitat that it was not intended to be in may have serious consequences to the ecosystem. Even though how small it may be, say, a little peppermint angel Yup, this is one of the key considerations when introducing a new species. It may upset the whole ecosystems. That's why countries like Australia are so strict when it comes to quarantine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 I wonder if some super rich kind soul would say acquired a dozen of such Peppermint Angels and release it into other areas ( of course with proper acclimatisation to ensure it is already adapted to shallow dealth and healthy) , would this be a possibility where Peppermint Angel thrive at such new areas and no longer be endemic only to the cook islands ? A dozen peppermint angels dump into another sea will all perish in one day. To establish a thriving population in a new habitat is v difficult, and for deep water and delicate species like peppermint angel is almost near impossible. Wat makes peppermint rare is not so much of its endemism, but the great depth in which it is found. Even if one day peppermint is found in another area, nearer, say Bali, it'll still be found at over 400ft deep and still make collection v difficult and expensive. A good example is Abei angel. It is wide range and can be found in indonesia water, but v deep. So to date not available in our hobby. Also to note, peppermint angel is even harder to keep alive then multibar or venustus. It requires v low temp, low lighting and v hard to get feeding. The first batch of peppermint available to the japanese long long time ago mostly perished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 4, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 4, 2011 i posted a picture of a super red clarion i saw in long beach aquarium of the pacific when i was in L.A it was in qt with a humeralis and a copperband. now all three are put on display and you can see this clarion is indeed super orange, almost red. it's unlike most clarions i've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 i posted a picture of a super red clarion i saw in long beach aquarium of the pacific when i was in L.A it was in qt with a humeralis and a copperband. now all three are put on display and you can see this clarion is indeed super orange, almost red. it's unlike most clarions i've seen. Tat is a enormous show size clarion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 4, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 4, 2011 what anthias is this? my guess is pulcherrimus anthias since it came from the indian ocean, christmas islands. it looks like randalls but randalls is a pacific species. but why is the ventral fin yellow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 what anthias is this? my guess is pulcherrimus anthias since it came from the indian ocean, christmas islands. it looks like randalls but randalls is a pacific species. but why is the ventral fin yellow? The one that PIA have? Looks weird leh.. LOL.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 4, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 4, 2011 maybe new sp? i never heard of them coming out of xmas islands before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Actually they remind me Tosanoides sp.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedricang Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 A dozen peppermint angels dump into another sea will all perish in one day. To establish a thriving population in a new habitat is v difficult, and for deep water and delicate species like peppermint angel is almost near impossible. Wat makes peppermint rare is not so much of its endemism, but the great depth in which it is found. Even if one day peppermint is found in another area, nearer, say Bali, it'll still be found at over 400ft deep and still make collection v difficult and expensive. A good example is Abei angel. It is wide range and can be found in indonesia water, but v deep. So to date not available in our hobby. Also to note, peppermint angel is even harder to keep alive then multibar or venustus. It requires v low temp, low lighting and v hard to get feeding. The first batch of peppermint available to the japanese long long time ago mostly perished. Thanks Lemon and Digi for the input. Such is the wonder of wild life i guess, certain species such as Peppermint is so beautiful and rare and just meant to be kept apart from...predators like us Quote Treat others the way you wanna be treated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 what anthias is this? my guess is pulcherrimus anthias since it came from the indian ocean, christmas islands. it looks like randalls but randalls is a pacific species. but why is the ventral fin yellow? Neither randall nor resplendent. Maybe it's new. And it's beautiful! Hopefully we can get some thru hawaii shipment since it's from xmas island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Actually they remind me Tosanoides sp.. The shape is v pseudanthias. Maybe the yellow stripes reminds u of T.Flavofasciatus. The yellow pelvic fin is v unique. Randall and resplendent males both have red pelvic fins. Hopefully is a hardy new species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 6, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 6, 2011 aberrations in fairy wrasses are extremely rare. here's a super rare and GORGEOUS aberrant luteovittatus fairy wrasse. the yellow overtook the entire body and now it's an amazing gold coloured wrasse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 aberrations in fairy wrasses are extremely rare. here's a super rare and GORGEOUS aberrant luteovittatus fairy wrasse. the yellow overtook the entire body and now it's an amazing gold coloured wrasse! THIS IS just too insane... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 aberrations in fairy wrasses are extremely rare. here's a super rare and GORGEOUS aberrant luteovittatus fairy wrasse. the yellow overtook the entire body and now it's an amazing gold coloured wrasse! Super beautiful, more stunning than rhomboid gold. All velvet wrasse should look like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Japan got one of these leh... Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Senior Reefer yikai Posted December 8, 2011 Senior Reefer Share Posted December 8, 2011 do you think it's the super rare cirrhilabrus randalli? or just a velvet wrasse variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Head looks different, so dun think so.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Anyone know what is this? I only know it is a species of electric ray.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Super Blue venustus.. Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Xiphasia setifer Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryz_ Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 ????? Quote Member of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiman Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 do you think it's the super rare cirrhilabrus randalli? or just a velvet wrasse variation. Should be an aberrant velvet wrasse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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