Marine Tank set up by ATL**TIS

[hotlemond]

Hi hotlemond

pardon my ignorance, wat's FR? due to limited space, can i just throw rowa and seagel in the overflow compartment where the wool is now (just below the black piece of plastic)? And let the water rain on them instead of soaking them permanently in the water (at the lowest level of the compartment).

another qns, if coral chips only produce nitrate and not a good filter material, is there any good reasons why it was used in the 1st place?

Hi Kokhui

think remora pro too big for that tight space that i have lah. remora still ok. maybe u can let me view your remora and do some actual measurements...

here's something on FR:

http://www.easyreefer.com/learning_center_...ed_reactors.htm

on your question on the usage on coral chips, you will have to ask them. But a wild guess here would be probably cos it does somehow traps debris/detritus and produce clearer water at the output, giving the impression that the water is filtered/cleaned (pseudo technology).

But the problem arises when the aerobic bacteria feast on the trapped debris/detritus, producing nitrate excessively.

[kokhui]

Hi Bro Earth,

Here is pic of my remora in action

[kokhui]

Another view.

I think the remora pro is just longer. To be comfirmed.

[wil_lee76]

Hi Bro Earth,

Here is pic of my remora in action

bro earth...here bro kokhui showing his skimmer in action.....these should fit your specs.....do measure the specs correctly before making purchase...since u guys frm sengkang, maybe can drop by to each another place to view....

as bro kokhui mentioned, it should fits.

[Earth]

Hi all bros

thanks alot for all your comments.

I dropped by ML today and some expensive skimmers were recommended (double the price of the remora). any difference in their skimming capabilities?? is it worth to get 1?

I suddenly discover that some in-line skimmers may be able to sit in the compartment where my coral chips are now (i.e the skimmer can sit on top of the coral chips).

any comments?

[hotlemond]

here, take a look at this:

http://www.proteinskimmer.com/productsnew.htm

[hotlemond]

I dropped by ML today and some expensive skimmers were recommended (double the price of the remora). any difference in their skimming capabilities?? is it worth to get 1?

you are talking about the Beckett?

Both Remora and Beckett are capable skimmer, but you cannot do this comparison cos they are in the different class altogether. The Remora are rated up to 75gal while the smallest Beckett are up to 150gal.

[Earth]

thanks bro hotlemond,

yah, its the beckett, my 4ft tank is easily 150 gal, looks like the remora will be undersized. prob have to look at the beckett.... will try to let it sit on the coral chips in the overflow compartment....

Hmmm... different class? means it's worthwhile for it's price?

[wil_lee76]

thanks bro hotlemond,

yah, its the beckett, my 4ft tank is easily 150 gal, looks like the remora will be undersized. prob have to look at the beckett.... will try to let it sit on the coral chips in the overflow compartment....

Hmmm... different class? means it's worthwhile for it's price?

hi bro,

good that u make the right choice.... BUT u must check whether can fit in....from what i see...its hard...if you choose external pump, u need a pipe to draw in from the filter area...and for return, it should go back to filter system again....if you have the budget, you can opt for outsump H&S. IMO.

Again, if u die die wanna use beckette....my advice to u....check check...ur space area, your system again imo!

[hotlemond]

Hmmm... different class? means it's worthwhile for it's price?

by different class, i was referring to the tank capacity it was rated technically.

A skimmer is worth while if it works for u. make sense?

By choosing Beckett I see the pump capacity as more of an important factor. If you do a search here on Beckett you will find many quries on the pump to use and features. Recently they have come up with the silencer for the air intake that I find is a bonus. many sponsers here carries Beckett.

[daryl]

Hi bro (Earth), it is fine that you ask questions regarding marine tank setup but please do not doubt specialist setups as doing that may tarnish their reputation...... Frankly it is very normal that they use coral chips for new tank setup as earlier on you did not state your expectations to them clearly, it is good that you seek assistance by posting thread here but I strongly advise you to find out more about this hobby before commiting yourself to it. ( I apologised if my words arre too harsh).

[XPeriment 626]

Hi bro (Earth), it is fine that you ask questions regarding marine tank setup but please do not doubt specialist setups as doing that may tarnish their reputation...... Frankly it is very normal that they use coral chips for new tank setup as earlier on you did not state your expectations to them clearly, it is good that you seek assistance by posting thread here but I strongly advise you to find out more about this hobby before commiting yourself to it. ( I apologised if my words arre too harsh). 

I disagree. As a buyer who paid several thousands for a set-up from this shop, I am entitled to express my view that the product is unsatisfactory and that the salesman grossly misrepresented the capabilities of the system. In addition, when livestock starts to die at an alarming rate, instead of acknowledging what is wrong and what the system cannot support, he claims the fish are victims of cyanide poisoning.

When I started, he put in 17 (!!!) fish, including damsels, clowns, wrasses, chromis & pyjama cardinals. In all, FIVE of those 17 lived beyond the first week. I was scooping out dead fish on a daily basis.

In the same way, if Earth bought a tank from them and it is equally worthless, he is entitled to post his negative comments on it.

[hotlemond]

Earth is the rightful owner to the tank. its his call shot to do watever he wants or comment about it. its not a sin to have a better tank

[hotlemond]

Hi bro (Earth), it is fine that you ask questions regarding marine tank setup but please do not doubt specialist setups as doing that may tarnish their reputation...... Frankly it is very normal that they use coral chips for new tank setup as earlier on you did not state your expectations to them clearly, it is good that you seek assistance by posting thread here but I strongly advise you to find out more about this hobby before commiting yourself to it. ( I apologised if my words arre too harsh).

btw, how do you define a specialist? In this case, a marine tank setup.

[daryl]

I disagree. As a buyer who paid several thousands for a set-up from this shop, I am entitled to express my view that the product is unsatisfactory and that the salesman grossly misrepresented the capabilities of the system. In addition, when livestock starts to die at an alarming rate, instead of acknowledging what is wrong and what the system cannot support, he claims the fish are victims of cyanide poisoning.

When I started, he put in 17 (!!!) fish, including damsels, clowns, wrasses, chromis & pyjama cardinals. In all, FIVE of those 17 lived beyond the first week. I was scooping out dead fish on a daily basis.

In the same way, if Earth bought a tank from them and it is equally worthless, he is entitled to post his negative comments on it.

hi bro. I totally agree with customers rights but as I mentioned before (Earth) should always do some studies regarding marine setups rather than depending on specialists setups...... If I were the dealer I would have did exactly the same thing, I have learned the hard of establishing my marine tank by understanding ecosystem and biological facts so it is always good for anybody to be knowledgeable about certain concepts and theories regarding the particular subject. Please do not feel offended as what would feel if you or your family owns marine setup business?

[daryl]

btw, how do you define a specialist? In this case, a marine tank setup.

hi bro. there is NO definations for bben a Specialist, why did Bio Ocean quoted as The Pets Professionals? In this realistic business society, any/all businesses always regard or quote their professions with postive remarks and I feel it is totslly alright as business is busness and we as customers should always do research on desired product rather than depending on sellers/dealers advise. If I will be the dealer which ssetup the tank for (Earth) I would have did exactly the same thing......

Cheers

[hotlemond]

here, maybe this can work in your limited space too.

http://www.deltecusa.us/turboskimmers/index.php

[XPeriment 626]

hi bro. I totally agree with customers rights but as I mentioned before (Earth) should always do some studies regarding marine setups rather than depending on specialists setups...... If I were the dealer I would have did exactly the same thing, I have learned the hard of establishing my marine tank by understanding ecosystem and biological facts so it is always good for anybody to be knowledgeable about certain concepts and theories regarding the particular subject. Please do not feel offended as what would feel if you or your family owns marine setup business?

Yes, as a customer you should get some background knowledge before buying a product otherwise you might get cheated. That was my mistake

However, it does not excuse the seller when he makes claims about his product which are patently untrue, especially if he knowingly does it to make a sale. That is misrepresentation and deceitful marketing.

If I or my family owned a marine setup business we would run it honestly like the many sponsors for this site, relying on customer goodwill and word-of-mouth advertising. I would not stoop so low as to make a quick buck by preying on the ignorance of customers and selling them what does not work.

My personal experience with Atlantis, corroborated by several other peoples' experiences, is that this is not a "specialist setup" (whatever that term is supposed to mean) but in fact a rudimentary setup disguised as a high-end product. If his system was so good he would be rich now and not operating out of a little IMM shop.

[hotlemond]

Yes, as a customer you should get some background knowledge before buying a product otherwise you might get cheated. That was my mistake

However, it does not excuse the seller when he makes claims about his product which are patently untrue, especially if he knowingly does it to make a sale. That is misrepresentation and deceitful marketing.

If I or my family owned a marine setup business we would run it honestly like the many sponsors for this site, relying on customer goodwill and word-of-mouth advertising. I would not stoop so low as to make a quick buck by preying on the ignorance of customers and selling them what does not work.

My personal experience with Atlantis, corroborated by several other peoples' experiences, is that this is not a "specialist setup" (whatever that term is supposed to mean) but in fact a rudimentary setup disguised as a high-end product. If his system was so good he would be rich now and not operating out of a little IMM shop.

I was looking for this words. 3 cheers to you

[hotlemond]

hi bro. there is NO definations for bben a Specialist, why did Bio Ocean quoted as The Pets Professionals? In this realistic business society, any/all businesses always regard or quote their professions with postive remarks and I feel it is totslly alright as business is busness and we as customers should always do research on desired product rather than depending on sellers/dealers advise. If I will be the dealer which ssetup the tank for (Earth) I would have did exactly the same thing......

Cheers

bro.., I do not understand this statement when my Oxford dictionary has a defination for the word "specialist".

As a hobbyist, watever Bio Ocean wanted to call themselves is not my concern honestly. I do not understand why you are telling me that??

cheers

[Earth]

Hi hotlemond

Thanks for the link, looks really useful... will do a search in the forum to see if anyone using it currently....

Hi daryl & xperiment626

Agree that i should have done more research on it before embarking than just purely listening... now that I m beginning to learn more about this hobby, let's just move forward from here to create a wonderful environment for all the beautiful fishes...

Finally I would like to clarify that i started this discussion not to tarnish anybody's reputation. my intention is to know how i could improve my tank setup to truly enjoy this hobby. In conclusion, if i have hurt anyone in the process, my sincere apologies

Meanwhile, happy reefing!

[livebait]

Agree that i should have done more research on it before embarking than just purely listening... now that I m beginning to learn more about this hobby, let's just move forward from here to create a wonderful environment for all the beautiful fishes...

Finally I would like to clarify that i started this discussion not to tarnish anybody's reputation. my intention is to know how i could improve my tank setup to truly enjoy this hobby. In conclusion, if i have hurt anyone in the process, my sincere apologies

Meanwhile, happy reefing!

Bro,IMHO,It is not worth spending more money to improve your current set-up.

I'll be frank & honest.....

Get another tank

[XPeriment 626]

Bro,IMHO,It is not worth spending more money to improve your current set-up.

I'll be frank & honest.....

Get another tank

unfortunately that was what i had to do as well

[dsam]

unfortunately that was what i had to do as well

Hi Earth Bro,

Just my 2 cents for ya.

Been to few LFS last time for some tank quotation on a 6ft x 2ft x 2.5ft tank.

It was about $9** + for main tank and sump. So for your 4 ft, I will estimate around $7** +/- for main tank and sump. Not to forget a BecKett, depending what brand, say around $8** inclusive of pump.

All in all, you probably spend another $1700, you can have 1 good system. Oops , what about the old tank??? Try to call Town Council from your area and get it removed free of charge.

Sigh...I know $1700 is not a small sum to many of us. But sometimes, short pain better than long pain la.

Just my suggestion...

dsam

[Lester]

hi guys.. sorry to ask..Marine Tank set up by ATL**TIS.. where is this ATL**TIS located ???