SRC Member gunzo Posted June 27, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 27, 2005 nooby.. so bear with me.. went thru the newbie forum dated all the way back when and i've got conflicting answers ( that of forum views and that of a lfs view) heres what i read cycle time fm 1 mth to 2 mths.. LR in after 1 week.. use shrimp to decompose and settle heres what the lfs say 2-3 days for salinity to stabilise (1.021-.025) put in LR and wait 2-3 days.. then test with 1 hardy fish.. 1 week later fish not floating then test 2nd fish..put in fish slowly til the number i want.. is the lfs spoofing me or theres some truth to that?? a fren with a marine ecosystem running for quite a while also echoed this sentiment.. how?? tia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 That LFS way is the irresponsible way.... using livestock to cycle the tank puts the organism through unnecessary stress and torture. Every new tank needs its biological system to build, stabilize & mature... the decomposing agent ie. the prawn, is needed to kickstart the ammonia to start the nitrogen cycle. Using livestock to kickstart the cycle is like putting smokers in an airtight room and then opening up a crack bit by bit to see how much people will suffer before you determine how much air needs to come into the room to sustain a comfortable level of survivability. Similarly, you don't put people in front of the speakers in a disco to test if the sound is too loud... you use a sound meter. The methods are different but the outcome is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member ervine Posted June 27, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 27, 2005 always take what you hear at LFSs with a pinch of salt... there are some out there who would give you all the wrong info just so that you will go back to them to buy more "miracle fluids" and equipment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member flying carpet Posted June 27, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 27, 2005 Now looks like you come to the right place bro asking for advice. One more thing to remember buy or borrow a book about marine fishes and never trust lfs. When in doubt refer to the book that you purchase or borrow. Always keep your self updated lfs will use cheap trick to get you to spend. Once you say that you are new to marine then all the nonsense will come out like you know ah if you buy this then................... I think you get the picture already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimus prime Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Similarly, you don't put people in front of the speakers in a disco to test if the sound is too loud... you use a sound meter. i think those music company doing malay wedding dont know there is a sound meter. last week at my cousin wedding its too loud that when i am eating, i can feel the spoon shaking by the sound impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member gunzo Posted June 28, 2005 Author SRC Member Share Posted June 28, 2005 That LFS way is the irresponsible way.... using livestock to cycle the tank puts the organism through unnecessary stress and torture. Every new tank needs its biological system to build, stabilize & mature... the decomposing agent ie. the prawn, is needed to kickstart the ammonia to start the nitrogen cycle. Similarly, you don't put people in front of the speakers in a disco to test if the sound is too loud... you use a sound meter. The methods are different but the outcome is the same. OK .. will there be any harm in putting in the LR after a few days of settling and let it cook for a while before putting in the fish ?? with my schedule I think I'll end up with the reccomended time norms here too since I'm too busy to go buy anything except for weekends .. and I just started the salt water over the past weekend oh I can equate with the disco and sound meter thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope I won't go death when I retire !! Is there a limit to the amount of LR I get for my tank or is it free for all ?? I have an 80L tank (small one) and probably looking at 10kg or so.. PS I hate books I can't read and write J/K Thanks again .. I'll go buy ONE shrimp from the market !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 For goodness sake, DON'T buy a giant king tiger prawn that is lobster size or buy a whole fish to throw into the tank to become an ammonia source!! Some newbies have done that before and had to restart the tank and tell the police that a murder did not happen at home. Logic must be applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member XPeriment 626 Posted June 28, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 28, 2005 For goodness sake, DON'T buy a giant king tiger prawn that is lobster size or buy a whole fish to throw into the tank to become an ammonia source!! Some newbies have done that before and had to restart the tank and tell the police that a murder did not happen at home. Quote Be teachable always, nobody has a monopoly on wisdom. But learn to distinguish "fact" from "opinion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I heard the fish was a small barramundi or 'Kim Bak Law'! Gosh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantbicycle Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I heard the fish was a small barramundi or 'Kim Bak Law'! Gosh.... EqqW....Dont thing i wanna see that...haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member gunzo Posted June 28, 2005 Author SRC Member Share Posted June 28, 2005 For goodness sake, DON'T buy a giant king tiger prawn that is lobster size or buy a whole fish to throw into the tank to become an ammonia source!! Some newbies have done that before and had to restart the tank and tell the police that a murder did not happen at home. Logic must be applied. hahahahaha .. of course .. Also understand that my ecosystem is a small one .. only around 2'x2'x1.5' size Consulted a friend, and his advice was to be mindful of the size of the tank .. for such a small tank as mine, it doesn't really require the 4 weeks settling in.. I'll dump in the LR 1st .. and then put in some rotting corpse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member tineng Posted June 28, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 28, 2005 hahahahaha .. of course .. Also understand that my ecosystem is a small one .. only around 2'x2'x1.5' size Consulted a friend, and his advice was to be mindful of the size of the tank .. for such a small tank as mine, it doesn't really require the 4 weeks settling in.. I'll dump in the LR 1st .. and then put in some rotting corpse actually the smaller the tank, the longer the cycling time!!! I had a 2x1x1...it took 1 month to cycle!!!! setup a 1x1x1/2 in office and it took 2.5 MONTHS to stablized!!!! my advise is test test test....even after it reads 0 NH....you will need to let it run for another week just to be sure.....unless you don't really give much though to getting $1 fish .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member shoelevy Posted June 28, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 28, 2005 gunzo, cycling period does vary to a certain extent from tank to tank no one can tell u for sure how long yours will take. so be sure to use test kits to be sure. once you're sure cycling is over...i would recommend letting the tank run for a week first before you start stocking up...just to gif the system time to settle in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member gunzo Posted June 30, 2005 Author SRC Member Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hey guys .. I just bought the test kit .. PH 8.3 NO2 <0.3mg which is the recommended limit before putting in fish !!????!!! This is the 4th day ! Did I forget to do something or my tank is extremely bacterial ?!?!?!? Anyway .. I just dumped in the LR .. and while fiddling with it a GIANT SPIDER looking thing crawled out and went under the one of the rocks !!!!!! You can imagine the fastest manuever I ever did with my hands !!!! Any idea what is that ??? detrimental to the eco system ?? Anyway .. saw a couple of dead yabbies .. wasted .. maybe already dead with the rocks .. but they are now floating around at the bottom of the tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 The only spider like creature I've seen that moves extremely fast is the sally lightfoot crabs Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Alvin Tan Posted June 30, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 30, 2005 One more thing to remember buy or borrow a book about marine fishes and never trust lfs. When in doubt refer to the book that you purchase or borrow. Always keep your self updated lfs will use cheap trick to get you to spend. Once you say that you are new to marine then all the nonsense will come out like you know ah if you buy this then................... I think you get the picture already. sry...to correct this statement...not ALL LFS cant be trusted....there are still some which provide "REAL" knowlegde...some books may be outdated and y still follow the old method while we hav new n improved equipements?? im nt saying reading bks are useless...but the person who read it must know how 2 manipulate..following the book blindly would not do any gd...Some LFS tt provides experience to reefers still can be trusted...are you implementing that one black sheep cause the whole herd 2 be blacklisted??i relatively do not think so..Trust some LFS..there are still LFSs around Singapore that provides "true knowlege".. im not against anyone here...just my 2 cents.. Quote view my 2ft tank thread update here!! http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36399 Tank Dimension: 24'x15'x19' with black silicon. All round 8mm. Equipments: Return Pump : Hailea HX6540 Skimmer/Chiller : Sicce 2500lph Skimmer : Weipro 2011 Lightings: 4xT5s HO..2 20,000k & 2 Blue Pro(Aquaz) Retrofits Chiller : Resun CL280 Auto Water Top Up Life Stock: More then 35kg of figi rocks Blue Tang, Powder Blue Tang, Bristletooth tang, Clown Tang, Yellow Tang, Purple Tang, Flame Angel, Six Line Wrasse, Sunrise Dottyback. 2 Cleaner Shrimp Green Bubble, Orange Yuma, Hammer, True Octopus, Acans, Frogspawn, Green/Orange Cyannaria, Red Prata, Red Open Brain, Star Polyp, Acan Enchinata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Yes I agree Do check on the publishing date of book which you read Another good alternative is to borrow magazines such as FAMA or PFK from the library Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member XPeriment 626 Posted June 30, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted June 30, 2005 Anyway .. I just dumped in the LR .. and while fiddling with it a GIANT SPIDER looking thing crawled out and went under the one of the rocks !!!!!! You can imagine the fastest manuever I ever did with my hands !!!! does it look like this? if so, it is a sally light foot crab. Generally reef safe, good for clearing algae Quote Be teachable always, nobody has a monopoly on wisdom. But learn to distinguish "fact" from "opinion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member gunzo Posted July 1, 2005 Author SRC Member Share Posted July 1, 2005 does it look like this? if so, it is a sally light foot crab. Generally reef safe, good for clearing algae is it supposed to be hairy looking ?? the legs and body look about the same .. but its also abit hairy .. and it went from the rock and clambered behind .. now I can't find it anymore .. today I found 1 more crab and 1 more yabbie dead .. and 1 wormy thing .. sigh .. ph and NOx is good .. dying from the transport stress ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member gunzo Posted July 1, 2005 Author SRC Member Share Posted July 1, 2005 funny looking worm is actually still alive .. looks damn gross .. should I take that out ??? death toll 1 yabbie and 1 crab Why is my Nox level so low ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? well .. let it cook since I don't have time to go get sacrificial lambs .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEE2000 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 The only spider like creature I've seen that moves extremely fast is the sally lightfoot crabs i got 1 coming out from ls oso. decided 2 kep it though. but beware as not all habitants came with lr is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEE2000 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 i read in some forums saying hairy crab isn't reef-safe. i dun mean 2 prove anytin, but jus to share... pls correct me if i'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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