RAV-65 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I personally used Epsom Salts, very effective in increasing the mg levels by 100+ppm, but i understand that too much sulphate is no good, so I changed to using Tropic Marin.... Anyway, normal marine additive like SeaC*** is not useless, juz dat the concentration of the mg is lower than Epsom Salts... So u end up doing much more and that is more $$$.... Also, many people do not read instructions when they dose, so u may have gotten the wrong dosage, for my 3x2x2, I need to dose 12 spoonfuls per day to increase my mg by 20ppm a day!! And the reccommended dosgae is not more than 20ppm per day, else u risk causing an ionic imbalance.... So I took me more than a week of daily dosage to get it to about 1200ppm... Juz my $0.02... Quote People do not plan to fail; Often they just fail to plan... Wat I do to prevent myself from tearing my hair out... My stress remedy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weileong Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Can try tropic marin Mg. I tried seachem and don't work so well for me, but was using tropic marin and managed to get my Mg levels to 1300ppm Quote Weileong's 4ft tank Part I Weileong's 4ft tank Part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member typrobin Posted August 30, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 30, 2004 wat is so important bout magnesium huh?? Quote MY OLD 3ft!! My Latest Plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV-65 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 wat is so important bout magnesium huh?? Cant explain the techincal aspect, coz my England not strong enough, in simple english, it helps to maintain your KH, water with low mg will experience kh dat keeps dropping.... Quote People do not plan to fail; Often they just fail to plan... Wat I do to prevent myself from tearing my hair out... My stress remedy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/oct2003/chem.htm all the answers there Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Jun Hong Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 I think some reefers have mentioned that massive water change is the most economy way to bring back the Mg level. Can those reefer with Mg test kit measure the Mg level for the salt mix that you use? Please post the result and the brand of the test kit and salt mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Jun Hong Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/oct2003/chem.htm all the answers there Extract from the website: "Some artificial salt mixes have been reported to be deficient in magnesium, These include Tropic Marin and Seachem. Others have been reported to have a substantial excess, including Coralife." Can those reefers with Mg test kit measure the Mg level for the salt mix that you use? Please post the result and the brand of the test kit and salt mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Tanzy Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 kum sia..... By the way, pardon my ignorance, what is Epsom salt used for initially? Epsom salt is used as a laxative. Rarely used now because it is very bitter in the required dose. Senna based laxatives are more commonly used now. Actually, Magnesium sulphate crystals you see contain a lot of water. Unless it is anhydrous powder, the crystals you see are mainly water. That is why it seems like you have to add a lot of magnesium sulphate to raise the levels in the tank. Quote Warning: Heavy handed moderator in operation. Threads and post are liable to be deleted or moved without prior notification. Moderator's prerogative will be enforced. Any grievances or complains should be addressed to The Administrator. http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/uploads/post-36-1073276974.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hamannbmw Posted August 31, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 "Some artificial salt mixes have been reported to be deficient in magnesium, These include Tropic Marin and Seachem. Others have been reported to have a substantial excess, including Coralife." Oh shit.. i'm using tropic marine salt..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Jun Hong Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 Oh shit.. i'm using tropic marine salt..... So have you even measured the Mg level for your newly mix saltwater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member typrobin Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 Epsom salt is used as a laxative. Rarely used now because it is very bitter in the required dose. Senna based laxatives are more commonly used now. Actually, Magnesium sulphate crystals you see contain a lot of water. Unless it is anhydrous powder, the crystals you see are mainly water. That is why it seems like you have to add a lot of magnesium sulphate to raise the levels in the tank. tanzy, are u a scientist?? u really sound like one... Quote MY OLD 3ft!! My Latest Plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 tanzy has a phD in pharmacy or chemistry-related studies....dun play play Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Tanzy Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 tanzy has a phD in pharmacy or chemistry-related studies....dun play play No permant head damage behind my name thank you. Only masters. Quote Warning: Heavy handed moderator in operation. Threads and post are liable to be deleted or moved without prior notification. Moderator's prerogative will be enforced. Any grievances or complains should be addressed to The Administrator. http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/uploads/post-36-1073276974.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 ooops....never mind lah...masters in pharmacy is considered phD to people like me.....so cheem all the chemical formulae.... anyway tanzy.... is adding magnesium chloride a safer alternative to magnesium sulphate? if so, where is the best place to get magnesium chloride? Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member lvcap Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 i been using MArine Environment salt... those who plan to switch salts can try...almost no need dose Mg.. but kH seems a bit low at times..7-8 i used the Aquafarm or Aqua medic Mg supplement..that seems good too... just offering some alternatives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Tanzy Posted August 31, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 31, 2004 roidan, I don't think it's going to make any difference. Both chlorides and sulphates are rather inert in seawater. I think chlorides are easier to dissolve than sulphates. Here's a trick to add magnesium. You can dissolve magnesium sulphate or chloride in saltwater. Take a big cup of saltwater, chuck in a teaspoon full of magnesium salt, stir it around until everything has dissolve (takes a while) then dump it back in the tank. Keep doing this until the desired amount has been added. Always dose back in an area of high water flow and make sure it there are no fish nearby as high magnesium concentrations can tranquilise them. Quote Warning: Heavy handed moderator in operation. Threads and post are liable to be deleted or moved without prior notification. Moderator's prerogative will be enforced. Any grievances or complains should be addressed to The Administrator. http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/uploads/post-36-1073276974.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 thanks tanzy Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonjour2 Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 No permant head damage behind my name thank you. Only masters. Woa , u got masters ah... i still in the midst getting BSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooyoo99 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 i have managed to increase the mg levels in my 3ft tank from 750ppm to now 900ppm using 1 bottle of bio mg from tropic marine. btw, i have tested the salt mix from marine environment, the amount of mg it has is about 820-830ppm. i am using salifert test kit. posted this result in one of the treads for salt mix, but seems like no reply so far. other parameters i have from marine environment salt mix: calcium=250ppm kh=4 all the results above are obtained using salifert test kit. all the test kits bought within half a year. anyone with similar test done on other brands of salt mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted September 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted September 6, 2004 At what salinity were you testing the mix? levels are awfully low for a 'good' salt like ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Cedric Posted September 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted September 6, 2004 I've been using ME for quite a while and my Mg is steadily decreasing. Seems to me ME is quite low in Mg. Quote Comments are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooyoo99 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 salinity is about 1.023 for the new salt mix. any impact on the mg level measured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kschew1498 Posted September 21, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted September 21, 2004 Hi Guys.... Beside Salifert Mg test kit.....what alternative brand (cheaper) is reliable is anybody can share.....just got my Espom Salt but no test kit ...... Appreciate some advise.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kschew1498 Posted September 21, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted September 21, 2004 Hamannbmw & Alan.....how your espom salt/magnesium dosing coming along, if I may ask?? Hamannbmw.....you throw in the whole packet??? ...just to reach 1400ppm??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuEl Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 i have managed to increase the mg levels in my 3ft tank from 750ppm to now 900ppm using 1 bottle of bio mg from tropic marine. btw, i have tested the salt mix from marine environment, the amount of mg it has is about 820-830ppm. i am using salifert test kit. posted this result in one of the treads for salt mix, but seems like no reply so far. other parameters i have from marine environment salt mix: calcium=250ppm kh=4 all the results above are obtained using salifert test kit. all the test kits bought within half a year. anyone with similar test done on other brands of salt mix? OMG. Think I will stick to good old Coralife next time. Quote Always something more important than fish. http://reefbuilders.com/2012/03/08/sps-pico-reef/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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