bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Just got the FR from cookiemunster. Washed the tube and put in 1L of Rowas Phos. The actual product should comes with a Valve control not shown in my pic. Cookiemunster somehow forgot to bring it. hehe.. The valve will comes in handy for controlling stronger than needed powerhead, as well as backflow. (backflow when you off the pump to clean, replace new rowas/carbon etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 On the pump and the rowas start to circulate. I noted the distribution of upward flow somehow at certain side is not even. I can note the trace of water snaking it way thru some side of the tube. This could be due to the rowas stacking against each other tigher at certain area. All in all, there is still veru good spread of water distribution force up, except for inherent stacking of rowas cause some areas to have more water distribution. Two filter media in the tube, top and bottom. The bottom one is white cotton stuff and the top one is made of coarse filter alike media. Both are used to prevent the Rowas Phos from escaping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 I am using a Ehiem pump, 600L/hr flow. Cost $39, 11watts. Too strong a pump I do agreed with cookiemunster, will promote grinding of the absorption media (in this case Rowas). I set the pump to minimum in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 okay the base where the inlet of tubing should goes. I have not actually got the valve control (PVC tube I believe), so it may looks different from what u see here. The ehiem tubing that is used by the ehiem 600 is slightly smaller, and cannot fit in smartly. I used another tube to fit the ehiem one, and cable tie to secure them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Looking at the base, its just a good support for the FR - nothing else, but it does conceal the PVC piping that leads to the FR tubing. The water is flow thru the base and back to the tank via the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Close shot of the top part of the FR. Not metal part used, and no worry on rust. The top tubing leads back to my sump where the water flow is directed after cleansed. In my case, I will prefer to have a longer PVC piping or a handle alike design, since the FR is suppose to be sturdy enuff to carry via the cover itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuEl Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Don't suggest connecting the pipes using a cable tie...backpressure will lead to the area leaking. Just get a hose adapter...rather cheap and at least the hoses will be secured properly.. Quote Always something more important than fish. http://reefbuilders.com/2012/03/08/sps-pico-reef/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Don't suggest connecting the pipes using a cable tie...backpressure will lead to the area leaking. Just get a hose adapter...rather cheap and at least the hoses will be secured properly.. hose adapator?? u mean those metal clip? What's the different between that and cable tie? I use cable tie to prevent the smaller ehiem tubing "run off" from the bigger tube. It fits quite nicely, but I still don't feel really safe. So I added a cable tie to put my mind at ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Rating: Functionaility (4.5/5) - Does what it is built to do. Rowas phos should be more effective used base on the theory of how absorption goes. Will be better if there is (super) even water distribution upwards. No fault of this product, most likely inherent due to stacking of Rowas. But a food for thought for future version. User friendly (4/5) - Pretty plug and play. Will get full marks if there is some handle or sort.. Easier to move it around. Have not seen the valve control, so can't comment on it too. Value (4/5) - For those using expensive phosphate remover, carbon and such, you may like to just place the bag (carbon) under direct return flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuEl Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 It's a small plastic piece. The end is shaped like the plastic piece of the FR you push the hose into. Just that this piece has 2 heads. One is smaller head to fit the smaller hose and the other is a bigger head to fit the bigger hose. Quote Always something more important than fish. http://reefbuilders.com/2012/03/08/sps-pico-reef/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 It's a small plastic piece. The end is shaped like the plastic piece of the FR you push the hose into. Just that this piece has 2 heads. One is smaller head to fit the smaller hose and the other is a bigger head to fit the bigger hose. oh, I got it. Anyway the flow is like so little, nothing much on pressure. My concern is the leaking if its not tight enuff lohz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hamannbmw Posted August 15, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 15, 2004 1 Q : can u place rowas n carbo together into the FR ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 1 Q : can u place rowas n carbo together into the FR ? I do not know the chemical properties of both minerals.. this one u got to check with rowas phos or active carbon producer lah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hamannbmw Posted August 15, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 15, 2004 I do not know the chemical properties of both minerals..this one u got to check with rowas phos or active carbon producer lah.. ..ok ok any chemist out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuEl Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Not a good idea to mix. If you want to replace either one how are you going to separate them? Quote Always something more important than fish. http://reefbuilders.com/2012/03/08/sps-pico-reef/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 Not a good idea to mix. If you want to replace either one how are you going to separate them? Rowas Phos suppose not to leech. Gauging your own tank requirement for replacement for Rowas. Carbon is to be replaced every month. So if your phosphate starts to climb every month, then can lohz.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hippo Posted August 15, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 15, 2004 1 Q : can u place rowas n carbo together into the FR ? Based on cookiemonster, it is not recommend mixing carbon with rowa together as it may absorb each other and render the active agents useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hamannbmw Posted August 15, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 15, 2004 Rowas Phos suppose not to leech. Gauging your own tank requirement for replacement for Rowas. Carbon is to be replaced every month. So if your phosphate starts to climb every month, then can lohz.. i bought seachem carbon , it is stated that it can last for 6 months ? so can change together with rowas........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member moron_clown Posted August 15, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 15, 2004 Based on cookiemonster, it is not recommend mixing carbon with rowa together as it may absorb each other and render the active agents useless. i thought the seachem seagel and contraphos are mixed products(carbon and phosphate removing media),so can i say that these products are inefficient?? Quote Reef Journal Gf's 6ft FOWLR My previous 4X2X2.5 (Retired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Cookiemunster Posted August 16, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 16, 2004 i thought the seachem seagel and contraphos are mixed products(carbon and phosphate removing media),so can i say that these products are inefficient?? The only effective phosphate removals I know of by personal experience is Rhowaphos and contraphos. I guess if they mix it with carbon together to sell as a package they should have thought of not mixing ingredients in their products which will cancel each other out. But for mixing 2 different brands together, I think no matter what theres always a risk of them neutralising each other even to a little extent. If they are placed in different bags, I think shouldn't be too much of a problem. However if they are mixed together, then I believe some kind of self neutralising effect will happen. However we will never know until someone conducts a proper test. Bwilly thanks for the great review. I'll meet up with you one day to pass you the ball valve. hahaha don't know how I could have forgotten. Fuel is right. Its better to use a dual hose nipple to connect different hose sizes together. Much safer than using cable tie. But like what you said, low pressure so not so much of a worry. As for even spread of water, I really don't think its possible to expect even flow upwards cos if you study the flow of air bubbles, theres always a preferred direction of flow with least resistance. And anyway in this case, very slow water flow is required so it doesn't really matter. Although you don't see it, diffusion will ensure total usage of media even in the side you don't see. And because of bottom up flow, gravity doesn't compact the media so the media usage is maximised. Quote My Humble 4ft tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 its a good product. I like to see it when the rowas move like the wave.. now I got other thing to see, other than the bubbles foaming from my skimmer.. good value for entertainment. haha...!! but if can add a handle like those cannister filter, which can be "hidden" when not in use, then will be bagus..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member patrick123 Posted August 17, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 17, 2004 For the two hose of different size, you can use pvc glue to glue the smaller hose into the bigger one. Very strong and no leak. Save you the money for the adapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryansimon Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 please do that only if you are using Eheim hoses.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member jc85 Posted August 18, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted August 18, 2004 Fuel is right. Its better to use a dual hose nipple to connect different hose sizes together. Much safer than using cable tie. Sorry CM. A little What's a dual hose nipple? A pic will be great. Thanks JC Quote Earth Conservation Blog My Marine Blog For All Sengkang Residents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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