SRC Member trader_best Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 hi gurus, I've just installed my new sump tank...found that my nitrate level has shot up all e way....will installation of sump be the reason for the nitrate level to shoot up? 1st compartment of sump: ceramic rings, eheim efei, sponge 2nd compartment: bio balls refugium: 4" DSB, 'sea-grapes', live rock with micro algae..... gurus please advise.... i'm currently using AZ-NO3 to reduce the nitrate level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member BarraCudaTM Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 Yr first 2 compartments will produce alot of nitrate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 6, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 can give me more advise please...thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member ervine Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 Just take away the bio-balls and all the mechanical filtration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 6, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 if i take them all out, it'll be empty...wat do u suggest i put in those two compartments brother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member ervine Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 Nothing? If you must then a powerhead for your skimmer then some foam which is changed weekly and a bag of phosphate remover... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 6, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 my water is skimmed before the refugium....you mean just a piece of foam and rowaphos....no ceramic rings, bio-home, etc? so i just depend on the biological filtration by my dsb refugium onli? thanks for the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter ReDDeviLs Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Supporter Share Posted April 6, 2004 sorry to hijeck your topic,but ceramic rings also remove? Quote [ ] [ ] Reef Reefing Reefed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 6, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 i'm also confused too....reefer gurus please give more advice thank you... wat do u guys put in your sump tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 My sump tank is empty. No bioballs, biorings etc. Just maybe a polyfilter pad. Now that my contraphos/rowaphos phosphate removal media is fluidised and carbon too.. I don't need to put filter bags of it in the sump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member typrobin Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 6, 2004 basically the bio balls and the ceramic rings have bacteria that converts ammonia to nitrite than to nitrate... ammonia and nitrite is harmful to fishes, they clog up their blood and in turn they will have less oxygen in their blood and thus the heavy breathing occurs.... nitrate on the other hand affects corals.... the high nitrate level is due to the bioballs and ceramic rings, so by removing them, u will lessen the rate of ANN(ammonia to nitrite to nitrate) conversion.... the bad thing about have lesser bio balls and ceramic rings is that the ammonia will not be converted fast enuf and so will the nitrite....but if u haf a powerful skimmer, then u dun haf to worry coz most of the dissolved organic compound will be skimmed off.... my advise is, if u want to remove the bio ball and ceramic rings, do it very slowly....maybe 10% per week, juz in case u get ammonia spike....and of coz use a very good skimmer....reduce feeding will also help....but that applies if u are having corals, if its juz a FOWLR tank than leave them inside loh.... Quote MY OLD 3ft!! My Latest Plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter ReDDeviLs Posted April 6, 2004 SRC Supporter Share Posted April 6, 2004 thanks alot fo the advise and thanks trader best for allowing me to hijack ur thread ,think i will remove my ceramic rings soon Quote [ ] [ ] Reef Reefing Reefed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwilly Posted April 7, 2004 Share Posted April 7, 2004 I think there's a misconception that rings n balls caused nitrate (NO3) increase. Its is extremely useful for converting source of ammonia n nitrite (NO2) into the more harmless NO3. Without the rings/balls, (n sufficent LRs) the fishes maybe dead faster than u can know. Also wastes (food/fish) willingly get stuck on these rings/balls, hence producing additional nitrate. The rings/balls is not designed to induced NO3 reduction bacteria, hence some may deem it "NO3" factory. Removing the rings/balls only when u have sufficient LRs or rather stuffs that can subsitute properly. (ie remove ammonia/NO2) Frequently cleaning (using tank water) rings/balls reduce the risk of them being a NO3 factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter ReDDeviLs Posted April 7, 2004 SRC Supporter Share Posted April 7, 2004 huh... oh hm... i have about 140kg of rocks in my 5ft should be enough? Quote [ ] [ ] Reef Reefing Reefed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hsloo Posted April 7, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 7, 2004 My sump tank is empty. No bioballs, biorings etc. Just maybe a polyfilter pad. Now that my contraphos/rowaphos phosphate removal media is fluidised and carbon too.. I don't need to put filter bags of it in the sump. Hi AT, How you fluidized the rowaphos and carbon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 7, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 7, 2004 maybe i'll remove half of the bio-balls and half of the ceramic rings.... i'm currently using the RS prizm, is it enuff?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Volitan Posted April 7, 2004 SRC Member Share Posted April 7, 2004 Can we put LR in the sump in replacement of the bioballs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member trader_best Posted April 7, 2004 Author SRC Member Share Posted April 7, 2004 can i add activated carbon into one of the compartments? how often must change? gurus can advise? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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