SRC's own DIY online store..

[Joe_P]

Hi Guys,

Did had a very brief conversation with AT recently regards the above...

Was thinking how's everyones opinion towards SRC having a DIY online store where reefers could place their "completed" DIY products for sale......

Reefers who advertise their DIYed products in the respective store/forum would therefore hold a similar position to sponsers with a different mode or method of contribution to the operation of SRC...

some pretty good suggestion might be...

1) percentage cut from each sale of the product advertised to the running of SRC..

2) maybe a small advertising fee per thread

or

3) even a few reefers coming together and opening up a store only specialising in DIYed products.....

What do ya guys think...????

[reef2]

why not create a DIY thread to teach reefer how to do it and where to find the material ? but if the reefer choose to buy the diy-ed stuff, then the rule apply. this is to keep the cost down and to promote this expensive hobby.

[sunny03]

i agree with reef2 let those who wish to DIY a chance to learn also

[Weapon_Master]

I fully support this idea! This will help to curb rogue traders as well providing some additional funding for SRC. Also it will serve people who cannot commit the time to DIY themselves. Also it provides a source on income for DIY kings who likes doing this. This is like killing 4 birds in 1 stone

Some suggestions from my personal point on view.

1. DIY Products must be tested and works as it claims.

2. Pricing should fixed and published on SRC. Of course price revision is possible but must be published.

3. There should be a warranty period like 7-30days. 1 year seems too long and hard to work. Full refund or product replacement should be provided if equipment fails

Stictly personal opinion and others might differ.

[blueheaven]

i really support this idea and maybe we could even have specialised parts for sale!!!!

[flubberina13]

I'm still thinking about the gadget for storing frozen stuff for direct feeding to the tank...

I will be your first customer if you can come up with it...

[Golden Tooth]

Good idea coz l'm a DIY goondu.

[Weapon_Master]

I would be interested as well. It will be amazing to have such a product. I suspect it wont be easy.

[hmkui]

hi.. all.. i personally like the idea and how abt forming a group to do constant research on it who knows we may invent something out and i will be the 1st to join such group...

[Joe_P]

Hmmm ..... this thread is soon getting way out of topic...

Let's get it back on track...

It actually would be good if you guys state your opinions on whether it would be good if a online store be catered for the DIYed projects...

and whether there might be any benefits of foreseen problems that might come along with its implementation....

Or even give ideas on how such a store should function...

Issues like...

What qualifies a person to post his wares there...

Should there be certain criteria or quality the products have to meet before any posting.... etc..

[Hard Rock]

Sound interesting.

At least it give reefer a source of income to support the hobby.

[jc85]

Wat happens if there's more than one reefer that can diy the same product? Price war? Thus I think price is best left out. Maybe a showcase of all the products you guys can make with some writeup will do. Price to be neg between interested party and maker separately.

Juz my thoughts. Btw, I can't diy.

JC

[Terryz_]

JC idea is a idea worth considering... I think is a good one...

[nqh71]

Wat happens if there's more than one reefer that can diy the same product? Price war? Thus I thin, price is best left out. Maybe a showcase of the the products you guys can make and some writeup will do. Price to be neg between interested party and maker separately.

Juz my thoughts. Btw, I can't diy.

JC

Price War... that is good... then there will be more transparency...

This idea is excellent... Cause some people (including me ) can't DIY for nuts... DIY simple lighting already almost short circuited myself.

[Joe_P]

Price War... that is good... then there will be more transparency...

This idea is excellent... Cause some people (including me ) can't DIY for nuts... DIY simple lighting already almost short circuited myself.

Price war???

Nah... dun really think thats gonna happen....

Most reefers here who DIY would know that material cost is only a small fraction of the total cost of product.... its the time, expertise and effort that's the issue, esp for more complicated projects .....

There's a limit as to how much you can wage a price war on that.... cos it will simply reach a stage where its no longer worth doing it .....

[BarraCudaTM]

Quality wise .. should be decided by the buyer what is the acceptable quality. View before buying.

Price and other details, I believe must be transparent to avoid unwanted arguements why others got the same product for a different price.

btw .. this idea will drive those LFS mad! very mad

[Achilles Tang]

If I can afford the commercial branded equipment from reputable manufacturers in Germany, the USA or Japan, I WILL buy them. These are the benchmarks of well-researched and well-designed equipment. I'd rather drive a BMW than a Hyundai.

I have DIY stuff eg. lightings, skimmer, Calcium Reactor etc, because I need to supersize my equipment due to my SPS corals. These corals really demand a LOT from me and I'm happy that my equipment has not disappointed me thus far. If I had to buy commercial versions, it would have cost me 5x the price. Eeks.

Most DIY projects are based on commercial designs and may work as well as the real stuff as long as one understands the concepts of how and why they work and is able to adapt using local parts to duplicate the working principle.

It takes a lot of time and expenses eg. transportation etc in the sourcing of individual parts, trials and errors with the risk of costly mistakes, compromisation of effectiveness with design flaws and workmanship... sometimes rendering DIY projects more expensive & time wasting than just buying commercial products straight off.

I see DIY stuff as an alternative to commercial products which used to be sold at every expensive prices in the past but thankfully prices has come down locally, even as shipping freight and the strong Euro turn people off from ordering from overseas.

Like I said, get the real thing if you can afford it as it is often better designed and made of better quality stuff.

[typrobin]

come to think about it...wat bout copyrights and patents?? big firms don't do research for nothing...i bet there's some patents enforced on certain products...DIYing for personal use is alrite but selling as a "manufacturer" might cause big problems...

i fully support the idea though...juz worried tat it might cause problems...i think its best to let it remain unknown, such as state it as a DIY project...if there are interested parties, use PM loh...in such a manner, it won't be easy to trace...

if i were to write up a WINDOWS program for personal use, BILL GATES can't do anything about it, but if i were to sell it......i think i'll be dead meat....

[sphinx]

1) percentage cut from each sale of the product advertised to the running of SRC..

This is a good idea as seller only need to pay if there is any sales as compared to no. 2(p.s- how do you track how many they have sold.. if they are contacted via pm or direct thru phone)

2) maybe a small advertising fee per thread

This is not really good for the DIY(er) as there might not be even any sales.......

3) even a few reefers coming together and opening up a store only specialising in DIYed products.....

This is the best solution as both rule 1 and 2 can be applied. Which ever fits

my 2 cents

[rockfish]

i think. like wat jc85 said, post pics of the complete diyed items only.

if ppls are interested let them do the negociating. no price can be posted, just contacts or pm..

[ervine]

It would be nice if the "shop" can sell materials for DIY on top of selling the final DIY itself... Things such as acrylic or clear PVC tubes bought in bulk can help cut down costs substantially...

Hopefully this can make it seem less commerically inclined...

[typrobin]

1) percentage cut from each sale of the product advertised to the running of SRC..

this rule can only be fulfilled if buyers and sellers are truthful enuf...i think rule 2 is better...

2) maybe a small advertising fee per thread

no matter how much they sell the item at, a fee to be impose for the thread...

then again, as mentioned, if the DIYer made not sales, he still has to pay....

hhhhmmmm, how bout doing the auction method?and apply rule 1.

1) percentage cut from each sale of the product advertised to the running of SRC..

like YAHOO....

if this is used, the higher the auction price, the happier the DIYer and also benefits SRC more....

additional rules:

a) no contact numbers allowed until sale is confirmed by both parties...

seller & buyer have to remain anonymous, such as the buyer will not know the seller and vice versa.

but if this is to be done, the AUCTION forum has to be re-written to enable anonymity in the forum...AT will be very busy then.....

[ben]

If I can afford the commercial branded equipment from reputable manufacturers in Germany, the USA or Japan, I WILL buy them. These are the benchmarks of well-researched and well-designed equipment. I'd rather drive a BMW than a Hyundai.

I have DIY stuff eg. lightings, skimmer, Calcium Reactor etc, because I need to supersize my equipment due to my SPS corals. These corals really demand a LOT from me and I'm happy that my equipment has not disappointed me thus far. If I had to buy commercial versions, it would have cost me 5x the price. Eeks.

Most DIY projects are based on commercial designs and may work as well as the real stuff as long as one understands the concepts of how and why they work and is able to adapt using local parts to duplicate the working principle.

It takes a lot of time and expenses eg. transportation etc in the sourcing of individual parts, trials and errors with the risk of costly mistakes, compromisation of effectiveness with design flaws and workmanship... sometimes rendering DIY projects more expensive & time wasting than just buying commercial products straight off.

I see DIY stuff as an alternative to commercial products which used to be sold at every expensive prices in the past but thankfully prices has come down locally, even as shipping freight and the strong Euro turn people off from ordering from overseas.

Like I said, get the real thing if you can afford it as it is often better designed and made of better quality stuff.

If I were u, I will do the same.

btw can I come over and steal your design one day? hehe

[dr evil]

having a diy store sounds great....... but i believe some diyers do not have any product to publish.....they only customise only upon order confirmed...

im feels that it is ok to have some percentage to be fund in SRC.

If we gonna publish our DIY product here and selling it to reefers, it gonna look like a commercial sales......esp u have a lot of diy product to sell...

end of the day, reefers and SRC will benefit from the sales.....why stop us from doing this....

[mohamed]

Hi all,

I am new to the hobby. I would like to voice my contributions.

I think it may not be a good idea for diy products to be marketed. Mainly, if the products were to be faulty, who will take accountabily. What if something terribly wrong happens such as electrical misconfiguration which leads to fire break out.

I think it is only wise to show details of the DIY of products so that the accountabily lies in the user.

My humble views.