DerrickLim Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hi everyone, I hope the title caught your attention and willing to help me evaluate the idea. Basically I start off marine tank with an inappropriate setup (no sump, run on eheim pro 3 canister). Basically it is a used set that I took over from someone. What I intend to do is to connect it like this .... tank inlet -> canister (in) -> Canister (out) -> hydra stream -> reservoir water below tank -> standalone pump (with flow control valve) -> chiller -> main tank * HOB overflow box is impossible due to the euro bracing. * reservoir tank is where i intend to put my HOB protien skimmer (buy already, so gotta used), dosing pump. wanna hide this equipment from the main tank. * standalone pump will have a slightly higher flow rate than canister and then control with valve. My concern is imbalanced input and output flow in water reservoir. I know I am not doing the setup in the most efficient way as I gotta live with my lack of experience. This marine tank is also my learning points for my new tank when i got a new house in 2015. So, other than scolding me for the poor design, will the above work "technically"? haha ... thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Clement Chen Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 I have considered this idea once, but even the lfs advised against it, it is hard to match up the flow rate and some times if the pump gets clogged the flow rate will differ and one of your tanks will flood, maybe can try a overflow box Quote Clem's Clam Corner (Decommed) 60cm x 40cm x 30cm Tank Nano tank reboot v2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member youdontnowm Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 If overflow box, send your tank to drill the plumbing holes haha Quote | Display : 48x30x22 Skimmer : SK-201 skimz | Sump : 30x24x18 Wavemaker : 2x RW-15 , 1x RW-8 | Cooling : 1HP titanium drop in coil ATO : JBJ | Lighting : ATI Sunpower 8x54w + 48x cree xte royal blue Return : Jebao dc-6000 | Dosing : Jebao dosing pump [ CaCl2 + NaHCO3 ] Pump : | Reactor : FSZ Z160 zeolite reactor & phosban 150 | System : ZEOVIT decomm-ed : Ydkm SPS reef >><< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Clement Chen Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hang on overflow? But dunno how reliable also Quote Clem's Clam Corner (Decommed) 60cm x 40cm x 30cm Tank Nano tank reboot v2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kenyee Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 I have seen a setup something like that at Qianhu.. Maybe u can go down and have a look.. The tank is a coral tank without any sump nor overflow.. The DT can just see 2 hoses (suction & discharge).. Its hard to explain in words but to go down and see the real things will be better.. Quote @ 291213 Updated video: Kenyee FOWLR http://m.youtube.com/my_videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member tunicate Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hi Derrick, If you use a canister, then it needs to be in a close loop back into your display tank(DT). Otherwise, during power outage, water will siphon off from DT until water drops below your "tank inlet". All these water will accumulate in your "reservoir" provided it has spare capacity to accomodate. With regards to "standalone pump will have a slightly higher flow rate than canister and then control with valve", it is not a good idea to put pumps in series. The flow rate between 2 pumps will differ over time due to dirt accumulation(likely to be the canister pump). When that happens, "reservoir" will dry up while DT fills up. I see dangers ahead bro if you intend to go down this path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickLim Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Looks like it is a real bad idea. Gotta make do with a messy tank then.... Thanks everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Quas111 Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 You can buy a U-tube, and use it as an overflow. (pic is from the Internet. Not mine) I have seen people on other forums use it, and it's very good. The water can channel into the sump(the tank below). You must make sure that the water level of the tank is low enough to ensure that the u-tube doesn't empty 3 cm of water from your tank onto the floor. IMO canisters are the worse form of filtration for saltwater, as it traps a lot of waste and detritus. You can also just get a simple pump to pump water back from your sump to your display tank. Fairly simple compared to your initial idea. Here's a (2 minute) drawing of what you can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Quas111 Posted October 17, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 17, 2013 You can buy a U-tube, and use it as an overflow. (pic is from the Internet. Not mine) I have seen people on other forums use it, and it's very good. The water can channel into the sump(the tank below). You must make sure that the water level of the tank is low enough to ensure that the u-tube doesn't empty 3 cm of water from your tank onto the floor. IMO canisters are the worse form of filtration for saltwater, as it traps a lot of waste and detritus. You can also just get a simple pump to pump water back from your sump to your display tank. Fairly simple compared to your initial idea. Here's a (2 minute) drawing of what you can doby the way you will need to get a separate pump for your chiller. The return pump would be too strong for your chiller to cool the water properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickLim Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 I wonder if this is readily available in the market. I take a look tmr. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Firestarter Posted October 18, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 18, 2013 Its called an overflow box. Quote Sometimes the good guys gotta do bad things to make the bad guys pay. - Harvey Specter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Quas111 Posted October 18, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 18, 2013 Its called an overflow box. overflow boxes are very expensive. This would be a lot cheaper with a bit of diy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnymau Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Try this: I had made one for my friend with a simple sump, and it works. Save you lots of money and easy to make. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickLim Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Looks good! May I know how many inch pipe did u use for your friend's tank? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Reefzzz Posted October 29, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 29, 2013 Hi everyone, I hope the title caught your attention and willing to help me evaluate the idea. Basically I start off marine tank with an inappropriate setup (no sump, run on eheim pro 3 canister). Basically it is a used set that I took over from someone. What I intend to do is to connect it like this .... tank inlet -> canister (in) -> Canister (out) -> hydra stream -> reservoir water below tank -> standalone pump (with flow control valve) -> chiller -> main tank * HOB overflow box is impossible due to the euro bracing. * reservoir tank is where i intend to put my HOB protien skimmer (buy already, so gotta used), dosing pump. wanna hide this equipment from the main tank. * standalone pump will have a slightly higher flow rate than canister and then control with valve. My concern is imbalanced input and output flow in water reservoir. I know I am not doing the setup in the most efficient way as I gotta live with my lack of experience. This marine tank is also my learning points for my new tank when i got a new house in 2015. So, other than scolding me for the poor design, will the above work "technically"? haha ... thanks in advance. Bro, why not take the easier way out. Rather than rectifying it, why don't you get a proper tank with overflow. Tank alone should not be too expensive I think. 1) You can try to use back the same cabinet to save cost 2) Sell the canister for some cash 3) + the amount of funds you originally plan to set aside for overflow box You may not need to top up too much after that. just my 2cts.. Quote Main Tank: 5 x 1 x 1 Return from overflow: Eheim compact+ 5000 Lighting: 2x 54W T5 Skimmer: Deltec SC 1350 Chiller: Arctica 1/10 Wave Maker: Tunze Nano Wavebox & Tunze 6055 with Photocell Monitor 1: American Marine Pinpoint pH monitor Monitor 2: American Marine Pinpoint Temperature monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickLim Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Bro, I will certainly get one with sump when I move to my new house. Therefore, I just can't afford the time to setup another tank and gotta move all the livestock. My wife is gonna kill me! Hahaha Current one is just an experimental phase to learn the trade from fowlr to sps in a small scale. I certainly won't proceed with that 'stupid idea' after all the advises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Reefzzz Posted October 29, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted October 29, 2013 Bro, I will certainly get one with sump when I move to my new house. Therefore, I just can't afford the time to setup another tank and gotta move all the livestock. My wife is gonna kill me! Hahaha Current one is just an experimental phase to learn the trade from fowlr to sps in a small scale. I certainly won't proceed with that 'stupid idea' after all the advises. Haha.. we all been through this initial phase of experimentation... Hopefully, any mistakes will not be too costly Quote Main Tank: 5 x 1 x 1 Return from overflow: Eheim compact+ 5000 Lighting: 2x 54W T5 Skimmer: Deltec SC 1350 Chiller: Arctica 1/10 Wave Maker: Tunze Nano Wavebox & Tunze 6055 with Photocell Monitor 1: American Marine Pinpoint pH monitor Monitor 2: American Marine Pinpoint Temperature monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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