SPS corals

[Achilles Tang]

Thanks for wanting to clarify what I mean.

I am quite disturbed by the way you say that reefkeeping is not for those whom are uneducated (hopefully you mean those who didn't do research on this hobby)

Yes. I mean those who don't bother researching. Reef-educated is what I'm saying. Not uneducated as in they have never been to school before.

and budget constraint because I have come across hobbyist whom have keep this hobby successfully without spending a lot of money on it and some of them are not highly educated.

In context of those who are not willing to spend money on good equipment and invest in the right setup and those who rather spend money replenishing dead livestock week after week.

This hobby takes up money and those who have other financial priorities will have to compromise a LOT.

Trust me, a tank with a good setup + an inexperienced reefer will be better off than a tank with a lousy setup + an inexperienced reefer.

An experienced & experienced reefer with very little budget CAN setup a basic tank & nurture it successfully with dedication.

Sadly, most newbies lacking knowledge and experience and will rush a setup that needs frequent upgrading and change of husbandry skills when they run into problems dealing with less-than-ideal water parameters, nuisance algae problems, poor growth of corals etc. I know, because I was a newbie too.

I was 'uneducated & poor' before too. But I had an attitude to learn & improve and make rapid progress compared to my friend who introduced me to reefkeeping.

Apologies to those who feel offended by my choice of words but I hope my clarification will clear all doubts to what I mean.

AT

[james72]

Thanks for wanting to clarify what I mean.

Yes. I mean those who don't bother researching. Reef-educated is what I'm saying. Not uneducated as in they have never been to school before.

In context of those who are not willing to spend money on good equipment and invest in the right setup and those who rather spend money replenishing dead livestock week after week.

This hobby takes up money and those who have other financial priorities will have to compromise a LOT.

Trust me, a tank with a good setup + an inexperienced reefer will be better off than a tank with a lousy setup + an inexperienced reefer.

An experienced & experienced reefer with very little budget CAN setup a basic tank & nurture it successfully with dedication.

Sadly, most newbies lacking knowledge and experience and will rush a setup that needs frequent upgrading and change of husbandry skills when they run into problems dealing with less-than-ideal water parameters, nuisance algae problems, poor growth of corals etc. I know, because I was a newbie too.

I was 'uneducated & poor' before too. But I had an attitude to learn & improve and make rapid progress compared to my friend who introduced me to reefkeeping.

Apologies to those who feel offended by my choice of words but I hope my clarification will clear all doubts to what I mean.

AT

Wah, my apologies for the "unhappiness" caused. Didn't know my question will end up with so much disturbance.....Hehehe.......relax lah, "dont tension".

Life still goes on, so lets depart from MARS and come back to EARTH.

Present status and details, water improving, Ammonia 0mg/l ,N02- drop to <0.1mg/l,NO3- 5mg/l,Ca drop from 600ppm to 480ppm, Dkh 12.

The 50kg LR were brought 2ndhand from someone's tank who has been cycling them for 18mths. I understand my 150w MH light may not be sufficent, thus I need to try out first before I upgrade to a 250w or 400w, same goes for the chiller.

So what do you advise I do now?

A) Continue to monitor the water parameters every day until the experts give the "go ahead" signal.

Follow the old full proof method and give away all the corals and fishes and start all over again (cycling for 12mths) - Personally I think if all human follows the "fail-safe" method, there will never be any breakthrough in life, non any learnings.

C) Wait for the crash that "the experts" predicted becos I'm stocking too fast.

D) Maintain status and experiment with a frag of acro to test out although the stocking maybe too fast, but with close monitoring, there might be a slim chance of success.

What I need is advises with facts and figures to back you up so I can analyse and think it through, not artillery bombardment. Eg. If you stock up too fast, what are the things you will observed before your tank crashes. Fish dying, white sliming materials forming on the corals, brown algae (diatom) growing......etc

Oh ya, I also notice if I switch on my MH light for 8hrs, my anemone (anemone is at bottom on the 5" DSB) tentacles will shrink and become very thin, brownish marks on its body, the mouth will open very big and body tends to be closing/folding up, like dying. But when I off the light and leave it for a 6hrs, the tentacles recovered back to its original thickness, brown marks disappear, mouth closes back and body opens up like normal........is that a sign of "sunburn", the 150w MH might be too strong for the 2.5ft depth or I switch on the MH too long? What puzzled me is those smaller anemone at the top of the LR (which is nearer to the MH) seems to be ok, whereelse the bottom anemone is suffering......Any experts have any logical explanations?

[jd_n]

Oh my, dun think u will ever listern.....well, go ahd with watever u feel rite coz we have nuthin much to commend. Btw, remove ur aneomne before u decided to "experiment" with a "frag of sps".

[james72]

Oh my, dun think u will ever listern.....well, go ahd with watever u feel rite coz we have nuthin much to commend. Btw, remove ur aneomne before u decided to "experiment" with a "frag of sps".

Ya, that's the 2nd time I heard this comment on removal of LPS if you want to keep SPS. Again I fail to recieve any reasons for the advises made.......is it becos of the anemones sting? If that's so, why can't we separate them apart, anemones at the left bottom, sps at the right top?..........pls give amble facts to support ur commends and not just the blind follow the blind or becos tom, dick or harry said so.

The Creator or the Follower.......which group do we belong to?

[xfusion]

Ya, that's the 2nd time I heard this comment on removal of LPS if you want to keep SPS. Again I fail to recieve any reasons for the advises made.......is it becos of the anemones sting? If that's so, why can't we separate them apart, anemones at the left bottom, sps at the right top?..........pls give amble facts to support ur commends and not just the blind follow the blind or becos tom, dick or harry said so.

The Creator or the Follower.......which group do we belong to?

hi james,

from my experience althought not much, anemone dun just stay in a fixed position, it likes to move ard. u nv know where it gg to move to...mine can move from left end to the right end of my 4 ft tank in just a night..tat 's y i decided not to keep them n letting it go 4 other reefer who has a more suitable environment for it n to prevent it of stinging my other coral.

i'm sure u dun wish to see ur coral not opening up in ur tank..with all the effort u put in, just a small mistake made, make ur effort gone waste..not worth rite?

[FuEl]

I have kept anemones before. In a reef tank..there is only one word for them. The word is : Irritating!

[james72]

hi james,

from my experience althought not much, anemone dun just stay in a fixed position, it likes to move ard. u nv know where it gg to move to...mine can move from left end to the right end of my 4 ft tank in just a night..tat 's y i decided not to keep them n letting it go 4 other reefer who has a more suitable environment for it n to prevent it of stinging my other coral.

i'm sure u dun wish to see ur coral not opening up in ur tank..with all the effort u put in, just a small mistake made, make ur effort gone waste..not worth rite?

Yup that's the type of answers I'm looking for..........facts and figures.....

mine can move from left end to the right end of my 4 ft tank in just a night

.........thanks for the info.

Looks like I have to remove my anemones away before starting on SPS or do a partition on the tank.

[Achilles Tang]

I am not going to waste any more time giving advice to someone who persists in having a cavalier attitude towards conscientious reef-keeping.

What facts and figures do you need with regards to the probability of short-term survivability of Acropora corals in a 3-week old overstocked tank overunning with 5 anemones & nudibranchs taken care by someone who doesn't give a hoot about proper care of the other 'well-known as difficult to care for inhabitants' of his tank?

pls give amble facts to support ur commends and not just the blind follow the blind or becos tom, dick or harry said so.

Sure, keep your anemones. They move around too much? Staple them to the LR! Oh btw, you SHOULD really buy an Aquarium coral book to read up. Last time I checked, an Anemone is NOT an LPS coral. Anyway, you don't have to follow we blind people because you're naturally gifted anyway.

You're looking for SPS? Plenty of them in the sea. Take up diving. I'll lend you a chisel and crowbar, I'll even lend you an electric jackhammer if you want to bring up an entire coral head. Go ahead and DO IT ON A BIG SCALE, why just restrict it to your little tank?

I'm washing my hands off helping James72. You guys and gals with more patience can take your time to drill it into his head that IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE.

I'll just go and stare at my tank where I have spent so much time, effort, heartache and money and ease my frustration away and console myself that I would have probably killed 20x as much livestock and spent 50x what I did if I remained like some fella here.

[xfusion]

Looks like I have to remove my anemones away before starting on SPS or do a partition on the tank.

hi james

i do hope that ur water par is stable before u start getting into sps..dun stress this beautiful coral even just a small frag. i'm sure that if ur coral are happy, u feel happy too.

i have lost 2 of my 4 branch hammer due to my unstable water par few months back ..IMO not worth to try.

[james72]

I am not going to waste any more time giving advice to someone who persists in having a cavalier attitude towards conscientious reef-keeping.

What facts and figures do you need with regards to the probability of short-term survivability of Acropora corals in a 3-week old overstocked tank overunning with 5 anemones & nudibranchs taken care by someone who doesn't give a hoot about proper care of the other 'well-known as difficult to care for inhabitants' of his tank?

Sure, keep your anemones. They move around too much? Staple them to the LR! Oh btw, you SHOULD really buy an Aquarium coral book to read up. Last time I checked, an Anemone is NOT an LPS coral. Anyway, you don't have to follow we blind people because you're naturally gifted anyway.

You're looking for SPS? Plenty of them in the sea. Take up diving. I'll lend you a chisel and crowbar, I'll even lend you an electric jackhammer if you want to bring up an entire coral head. Go ahead and DO IT ON A BIG SCALE, why just restrict it to your little tank?

I'm washing my hands off helping James72. You guys and gals with more patience can take your time to drill it into his head that IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE.

I'll just go and stare at my tank where I have spent so much time, effort, heartache and money and ease my frustration away and console myself that I would have probably killed 20x as much livestock and spent 50x what I did if I remained like some fella here.

Hehehe, you really sounds like you are damn piss off with me AT :-)

Yup, you are right abt the anemones is not a LPS. Just checked my book. Learn something new tonight for me.

Guess there's no advises for me from AT the so call patience, experiences, SPS expert from now on. Well I'll just have to read up more from other sources or learn the blind way.

[Tanzy]

Bye!

[FuEl]

Hehehe, you really sounds like you are damn piss off with me AT :-)

Yup, you are right abt the anemones is not a LPS. Just checked my book. Learn something new tonight for me.

Guess there's no advises for me from AT the so call patience, experiences, SPS expert from now on. Well I'll just have to read up more from other sources or learn the blind way.

When people give you valuable advice, you complain.

When people leave you to your own choice, you grumble.

What is wrong with you?!

[james72]

When people give you valuable advice, you complain.

When people leave you to your own choice, you grumble.

What is wrong with you?!

[Tanzy]

The man has expressed himself clearly. Enough said. I don't want this to be a flamefest so this thread will be closed.