Gouldian Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 A recent post in Pasar Malam re-kindled my interest in Sulpur Denitrator. Professor Guy Martin from Ecole Nationale Supérieure de Rennes was believed to be the first person to applied the sulphur denitrification into freshwater treatment for public. In 1991, Marc Langouet, who is a student of Prof. Martin decides to test this method on seawater. After 3 years of testing without apparent toxicity, Marc proposed the idea to Michel Hignette - Curator of MAAO Paris. And the rest, as most will say, "Its History". I have a Korallin C1502 Calcium Reactor which I have converted to Sulphur Denitrator 2 years ago but disconnected after I kept Nitrate in check. However, as I added more fishes Nitrate began creeping up to about 4-5ppm. As I currently do not run any other Nitrate Reactor or Bio-Pellets Reactor, I decided to do a simple experiment before I install into my main tank. In Sulphur De-nitrifications, Thiobacillus denitrificans and Thiomicrospira denitrificans, are able to use reduced sulfur compounds as electron donors and respire on nitrate in the absence of oxygen. What it means in layman terms is that the bacteria will strip Oxygen from Nitrate and by-product will be Nitrogen. According to Randy Holmes-Farley, herewith is the equation - 2 H2O + 5 S + 6 NO3- → 3 N2 + 5 SO42- + 4 H+. Korallin Sulphur Denitrator, this reactor has be disconnected from my main tank 2 years ago, as you can see the media (Sulphur & Carbonate) has turn black in certain parts. Water container A and B. Both container will contains similar amount of water from my current tank. DD Test kit, in my opinion this is by far one of the best I have used. It allows you to both test for NO3 and NNO3. Nitrate Test on Container A = +-4ppm Nitrate Test on Container B = +-4ppm Container A will be connected to the Sulphur De-nitrator while Container B will be Control. Container A and B in position Both container will remain in the semi-darken sump area of my tank for 1 week. No additional intervention. .... Day 7 .... Water from Container A of the left and water from Container B on the right. Notice water from A is brownish due to dirty Reactor. This picture is taken before adding reagent. Side by side comparison of water from A and B. A with Sulphur de-nitrification read 0 while B is 0.50 on the low range test of DD test kit. Pros: Short kick-in time compared to carbon based de-nitrator No hassle of constant feeding of ethanol Efficient even for Nitrate below 5ppm No need for additional feed pump (Applicable for Korallin and similar designed reactors) Cons: Prolonged used may lower pH FAQ extracted from - http://reefkeeping.c...1/diy/index.php How long does the media last? About 3 years according to the manufacturer. Is it hard to adjust? Not harder than a calcium reactor. The only daily adjustment you have to make is to degass the system from the top valve. About 5 seconds. What is the effluent's pH? The pH out of the effluent in my unit reads 7.5 I smell rotten eggs out of the effluent? The bacteria are not getting enough food (nitrates). At this point the unit needs higher flow or some of the media needs to be removed. Can I store the media for later use? Yes, wash the media thoroughly with RO/DI water and store in a sealed container for future use. Do I have to use aragonite on top of the sulfur media? No, but it helps to buffer the pH a bit and it buffers your tank at the same time. Don’t count on this to replace your calcium supplement anytime soon. Do I still need to do those dreadful water changes? Yes, water changes help dilute some of the more toxic compounds in your water and replace all the lost and absorbed trace elements in your aquarium. Do I need a recirculation pump? Yes, all figures are based on this. Recirculating reactors are much more efficient and are better at preventing media channeling. It also prevents air pockets within the media that kills the anaerobic bacteria which we're trying to culture. Can I use a bigger recirculation pump? Yes, you will have to throttle it back with a valve to prevent the media from fluidizing and becoming mush in there. Does Hydrogen Sulfide accumulate when using one of these denitrators? In most cases, no harmful concentrations of H2S will occur. If you are overly concerned about this there are two way to combat it: (1) Maximize aeration. A high oxygen level drives hydrogen sulfide oxidation, and high aeration will drive some off as volatile H2S gas. (2) Pass the water over iron oxide/hydroxide (GFO) to convert hydrogen sulfide to elemental sulfur. What are the cons of running a sulfur reactor? Your Alkalinity levels will drop faster than without using a sulfur reactor. It is imperative that you keep an eye on this parameter. So will I be adding this reactor to my reef tank? Yes for the time being as I am experiencing higher nitrate than I normally used to. However, I will dis-connect and reconfigure into a Calcium Reactor once I am done and have the CR run permanently when I am tired on dosing 2 parts solution plus magnesium. Happy Reefing. Ref: http://www.aquarium-...seascope_gb.pdf http://reefkeeping.c...1/diy/index.php http://www.advanceda...003/8/chemistry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_national_des_Arts_d'Afrique_et_d'Oc%C3%A9anie http://mars.reefkeep...atorSoufre.html http://mars.reefkeep...rDenitrator.htm This post has been promoted to an article Quote "Reefs, like forests, will only be protected in long term if they are appreciated" Dr. J.E.N. 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SRC Member sharonleong Posted July 20, 2016 SRC Member Share Posted July 20, 2016 So in short you reduce nitrate by using Sulphur Denitrator? Can it be use on any kind of reactor? So will I be adding this reactor to my reef tank? Yes for the time being as I am experiencing higher nitrate than I normally used to. However, I will dis-connect and reconfigure into a Calcium Reactor once I am done and have the CR run permanently when I am tired on dosing 2 parts solution plus magnesium. If you discontinue using it wont the nitrate increases again? What is 2 part solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tofubox Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 When people ask about best way to remove nitrate or phosphates, the more important / appropriate question is "whats the most economical way to remove phos/nitrate"? There are tons and tons of methods of removal, Macroalgae, Absorption media (so many brands), Water change, Biological media, ULNS, Algae scrubbers, Tons of bacteria housing, AIO Bio-pallets etc etc. It depends A. Your tank size, B. Your Bioload C. Your feeding regime Simply put, for a small tank in the past, I chose to use Algone pouches, just dump it in the filter and left it till it needs replacement. I also had a small TLF reactor running rowaphos fed from the chiller output. This was really economical for a small size tank. The pouch could last 1.5 months, the rowaphos every mth change few scoops of media. But moving to a bigger 4ft tank, this was no longer an economical method as too many pouches will be required. Choose the most economical method. All of the methods work, its just how much of it you need to use. I.e 5 pouch of Algone? A 2 ft macroalgae tank? 1 container of Rowaphos every mth? 3 sets of Algae scrubber? 2 bags worth of zeovit / zeolight stones / Bio-pallets? or simply, 1 Sulphur denitrator that is an overkill for ur tank size? As to your questions Sharon, reefing has evolved alot over the years, look at some of the alternative methods which are more efficient and effective. A sulphur denitrator works similarly, but it needs more understanding to use safely. The best thing to do if you are facing high nitrates atm is to clean up the system, followed by a water change, than maintain a more healthy feeding / stocking regime. Hope this helps. Quote I Love Stagsss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member sharonleong Posted October 9, 2016 SRC Member Share Posted October 9, 2016 On 21/07/2016 at 11:39 PM, tofubox said: When people ask about best way to remove nitrate or phosphates, the more important / appropriate question is "whats the most economical way to remove phos/nitrate"? There are tons and tons of methods of removal, Macroalgae, Absorption media (so many brands), Water change, Biological media, ULNS, Algae scrubbers, Tons of bacteria housing, AIO Bio-pallets etc etc. It depends A. Your tank size, B. Your Bioload C. Your feeding regime Simply put, for a small tank in the past, I chose to use Algone pouches, just dump it in the filter and left it till it needs replacement. I also had a small TLF reactor running rowaphos fed from the chiller output. This was really economical for a small size tank. The pouch could last 1.5 months, the rowaphos every mth change few scoops of media. But moving to a bigger 4ft tank, this was no longer an economical method as too many pouches will be required. Choose the most economical method. All of the methods work, its just how much of it you need to use. I.e 5 pouch of Algone? A 2 ft macroalgae tank? 1 container of Rowaphos every mth? 3 sets of Algae scrubber? 2 bags worth of zeovit / zeolight stones / Bio-pallets? or simply, 1 Sulphur denitrator that is an overkill for ur tank size? As to your questions Sharon, reefing has evolved alot over the years, look at some of the alternative methods which are more efficient and effective. A sulphur denitrator works similarly, but it needs more understanding to use safely. The best thing to do if you are facing high nitrates atm is to clean up the system, followed by a water change, than maintain a more healthy feeding / stocking regime. Hope this helps. One container of rowaphos that not very cost effective. Do we really need one bag of bio pellets per month? Can share which regime you take to keep nitrate at 0ppm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherman Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 If you can spare time dose carbon will bring NO3 under control. You going for ulns? Zero is no good for both PO4 and NO3 unless you doing ulns Quote 6.5 * 2 * 2 + 3.75 * 1.5 *1.5,(Decomn on 14/9/08) 4*2*2 + 2.5*1.25*1.25 (Decomn on 1/8/09) 5*2*2 (Fully LED light system, 140 3 watt SSC leds with 60 degree lens)(Decomm) 2.5*2*2(Fully LED Light System,96 3 watt SSC leds with 60 degree lens)(Decomm) 5*2.5*2(LED only) Eheim return 1 * pump 1 HP Daikin compressor with cooling coil 2 Jebao OW40, 1 ecotech MP40, 1X6085 Tunze wm, 1 CURVE 7 Skimmer 1 DIY 80 led control by Bluefish mini 1 radion XR30W G2, 2 Radion XR15G3 Sump area lite by 5 ft T5 , 6 * SSC 3 watt red LED for refugium 1 Full spectrum E27 led light 1 CR control by bubble count Start No Water Change since 1st Dec 2016 Add new 2.5x2x 1.5 ft [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Anthias Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Using sulfur in biofilters is very effective. When SPC ( BADES- columns) are used a reactor is not needed. Simultane nitrification and mixotrophic denitrification. Nitrate is instantly removed the moment it is produced. BADES-columns are roles of elemental sulfur mixed with calcium carbonate source ( oyster shell grit?) http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start Most sufur denitrators are used as they were carbon driven denitrators and are kept anoxic by limiting the flow. Sulfur denitrators are not managed the same way . Sulfur denitrators ( used in MAAO) are not kept anoxic. BADES-reactors have a flow of at least +- 1x the total volume of the system each day. BADES bio-reactors and BADES-denitrators are NOT kept anoxic! Something to read about BADES ( Biological Anaerobe Denitrification on Elemental Sulfur) and BADESSystems: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:theorie:start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Anthias Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Using sulfur in biofilters is very effective. When SPC ( BADES- columns) are used a reactor is not needed. Simultane nitrification and mixotrophic denitrification. Nitrate is instantly removed the moment it is produced. BADES-columns are roles of elemental sulfur mixed with calcium carbonate source ( oyster shell grit?) http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:start Sulfur denitrators are often used as they were carbon driven denitrators and are kept anoxic by limiting the flow. These denitrators have a very low potential when a lot of nitrate has to be removed wile keeping a very low nitrate level. BADES- denitrators are not managed the same way . Sulfur denitrators as used in MAAO are not kept anoxic. BADES-reactors have a flow of at least +- 1x the total volume of the system each day. BADES bio-reactors and BADES-denitrators are NOT kept anoxic! Something to read about BADES ( Biological Anaerobe Denitrification on Elemental Sulfur) and BADESSystems: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=en:badess:theorie:start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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